(May 22, 2017 at 8:31 am)Drich Wrote:(May 21, 2017 at 4:07 am)MellisaClarke Wrote: I have been seeing too many atheists memes these later months. I wonder about myself now, and I wonder about my goals.
I saw another meme some days ago about God that I am having problems thinking about.
Statement: "Everything has a creator, and God has no creator".
I always think the above as correct.
The meme continues: "Since God has no creator, God is not a thing to be created, or no thing to be created, i.e. nothing; God is nothing".
Am I a true Christian for having problems with the above? Help!
To "create" describes an object's beginning. Which is confined by time. Meaning the word create always and can only describe an object within the encapsulation of time. God simply existed before time. Before there were any celestial events to mark the passage of time. It is only with in the confines of time does the demand of a creator exist..
So where did God come from? IDK where did the super dense basketball of pre-big bang come from? Again before either event time there need not be a creation nor creator, as the beginning of time would make the first of anything.
(May 21, 2017 at 4:58 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: How do you know what's "outside time and space"? If god can be outside time and space - so can be an infinite number of things. There could be billions of "gods". Big Bang started "outside time and space", so by your "logic" - it required no creator. And since our Universe came from the Big Bang - there's no need for a god/creator of the Universe.
And anybody can make up any nonsense and claim it's true, as long as it's "outside time and space". Guess what - I'm outside time and space and I don't see any god around here, so your religious beliefs must be false...
The word :INFINATE is a good clue.
(May 21, 2017 at 4:59 am)Alex K Wrote: If God is outside time so as to not require being created, how can it *do* anything or have thoughts or desires?
what does being outside of time mean to you? being retarded?
Imagine a dvd representing the whole of time. now imagine on that dvd you know it's contents like any favorite movie. now take the dvd outside the player and place it on the table. You are now outside the "time line" of the dvd. did you suddenly become retarded (anymore than normal I mean?) What I am asking now just because you do not live at any central point on that dvd does it mean you know any less or more of the history on that dvd?
Now to answer a couple others with the same analogy imagine on the same dvd everything had a creation or birthing point of some kind. Now if you created the DVD would your creation then also be required to be on that DVD? No As you and your origins are pre time. As I said the DVD contains all of time and if you have it then you are outside of that time line, that dimension.
I get what you're saying, and I've mentioned that idea elsewhere here - but apart from the fact that there is zero evidence for this complicated construction, you are only moving the problem by positing a new timeline for God in which He moves. This then raises the same question about the creation of God in that timeline rather than ours.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
