The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will

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The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will

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RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will

May 23, 2017 at 10:24 pm (This post was last modified: May 23, 2017 at 11:24 pm by Aroura.)

(May 23, 2017 at 9:32 pm)Luckie Wrote: Where's the free will part, of your question Aurora?
Or is there none, like reality would be under such an unjust setup?

There is no meaningful free will in my example, and that is the problem. Theists of all stripes like to use free will to explain away the issue of god sending people to hell, saying we choose separation from god, laying the blame squarely on the shoulders of the victim. But when a person suffers literally thousands of times more than another without having caused it themselves through supposed freewill, then what does free will even matter when their god is inherently unjust?

Seems like a problem to me.

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The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Aroura - May 23, 2017 at 7:24 pm

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RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Aroura - May 23, 2017 at 10:24 pm

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RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Harry Nevis - May 24, 2017 at 7:38 am

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