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The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will
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The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will
(May 23, 2017 at 7:24 pm)Aroura Wrote: How do theists justify the fact that people have different experiences, not under their own control in anyone's definition of free-will, and maintain that God is Just.

Let's play pretend.  

Little Bobby is born in a nice western country.  He is never hungry, goes to nice schools, and is taught about the glory of God and Jesus.  He marries and has a wonderful, healthy family.  12 grandkids, all joyful.
He has some minor illnesses, but nothing major until whatever ends his wonderfully full life at age 89.

Little Jamal is born in a developing nation to a poor family, he is born with a major disability.  He is often hungry, but his family scrapes by.  His only education is in a hut by a foreign priest.  He's lucky to have it at all.
He also is taught about the glory of Jesus and God his entire life.  He goes to church, and is model. He volunteers in his community, shares what little food he has, etc.  He maries, has kids, and then his wife is raped and murdered and his children die of starvation in a war dropped on his country that he aboslutely nothing to do with, when he was just trying to live well and get by.
He loses his faith, and dies in a ditch at age 45.

Now, let's even pretend that all of life is a test, and God will give every person a chance, after death, to recognize his glory and accept him.  So even nonbelievers, fallen away believers, people of other faiths, etc, all get this sort of second chance to make this supposed choice.

If Jamal is so angry and upset by the fact that God allowed his family to suffer that he disavows God even after meeting him after death, but Bobby gets a straight ticket to heaven because he never had a reason to doubt OR to be upset at God, how is that anything remotely JUST?

The way I understand it, someone's motivation for rejecting God is irrelevant to the rejection itself. From what I understand of the Christian view, the judgement of God and God's love play two different roles in the human drama. It is, for all intents and purposes, two opposing forces, despite their emergence from the same source. The judgement aspect of God only wants people to get what they deserve and cares nothing for what they experience. It only wants justice, and the Christian view of justice is that everyone deserves far worse than what Jamal gets in this hypothetical situation. The opposing aspect of God to this is Love, which wants only happiness, beauty, and all the rest for everyone, no matter how unjust they've been. The only way to reconcile these two desires is the offering of a human model of perfection, a just human, as it were, for humans to believe in and in who's emulation to direct as much desire, ambition, and judgement as is humanly possible. It isn't so much, with Christianity, that God pronounces judgement on this or that person, but that God offers a way to rise above that judgement. Salvation comes from having faith in the Just embodiment of God (Jesus), not from oneself being just. We all suck, according to Christianity. So to reject the one way of rising above your own personal justice is, of course, to submit yourself to your own person justice, which, according to Christianity, is Hell.
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The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Valyza1 - May 26, 2017 at 6:32 pm

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