I Used To Be A Fan But I Am Now Shocked, Disgusted And Appalled With Sam Harris

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Hammy Wrote:
You ignore the part about him calling transgender people weirdos and men with penises and you ignore the fact that Harris just laughed through that rather than educating Murray about gender issues. It's pretty obvious that he laughed through it and didn't take offence to it because he holds the same highly ignorant and highly ignorant "opinion" (it's more about being ignorant wrong about the facts than an "opinion").
Am I the only one here who finds transgenderism to be a serious issue that shouldn't be trivalized like this and finds calling all transgender people "weirdos" to be thunderously ignorant and bigoted?

Am I the only one here who watches the clip and sees the bigoted language against a whole group of people for what it is? There's no sense in which it's not bigoted to hold the opinions that all transgender people are "weirdos" and all transwomen are "men with penises". Holding such opinions against a whole group of people is the very essence of bigotry.

You do realize that referring to transgender people as "weirdos" is as bigoted as referring to black people with the N word?

If you comb through anyone's words deep enough you can always find a situation where they said something off, made or laughed at the wrong joke. Finding a couple of such incidents through a person's life proves absolutely nothing about that person. But go ahead and trash those people's entire lives if it makes you feel righteous.

If you think you have discovered that Sam Harris is an ignorant transphobe out to ridicule the trans community you're wrong. Douglas Murray may be such a person but I don't know him. There is simply zero evidence from this clip and from Harris' response about it and from Harris' entire public life to this point to support your reaction to Harris over this.

I've only read one book by Harris, but I've seen him speak and be interviewed many times and your reaction to a couple of minutes of interview in which he doesn't even speak means nothing. Harris has shown himself to be a very liberal concerning human rights and equality throughout his life , but you heard him laugh inappropriately (in your opinion) and feel ok to label him a horrible fuck faced bigot? 

SteelCurtain Wrote:
You throw around this word bigot and it starts to lose it's meaning. Yeah he might be an asshole, but I don't think he's advocating that trans people are less than human. He's not exactly a trans rights activist, but I think his point (Murray) is that the regressive response to disagreement by progressives gets often taken way too far, where it's not even about disagreement, it's about punishment. 

You sort of proved his point here, Hammy.

This exactly.
What bothers me about this is that you are throwing away an ally for the sake of purity of speech. And it's not even speech. In your opinion he chuckled inappropriately therefore you feel ok to label him a bigot. That's a far bigger problem IMO than the alleged offense.

Bill Maher, Dawkins, Hitchens, Hirsi Ali, Stephen Colbert and on and on have all been outed as horrible racists and bigots thanks to vigilant liberals scanning through thousands of hours of their speeches searching for bad words & thoughts while ignoring 99.9% of what they've said and done. That's really messed up.