RE: I Used To Be A Fan But I Am Now Shocked, Disgusted And Appalled With Sam Harris
May 28, 2017 at 1:10 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2017 at 1:26 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
I don't think he has a hatred of transpeople. I think he has ignorant views on gender because he was laughing along at expressions of ignorant views on gender.
He's not on the opposite side of the political spectrum from Harris. They strongly agree on many issues and are good friends. People keep talking as if Murray was some kind of rival or that Harris was laughing at the stupidity of what he was saying. Far from it. They're in strong agreement about all this stuff.
This was not a guest he "disagreed with"......... Watch the rest of the podcast.
Yeah, I agree 100% here. If he later apologizes for being so complicit and laughing along rather than standing up against such crap spewed against transgender people, if he apologized for at least seeming to be endorsing such ignorance on gender issues... then I would no longer dislike him.
But until them, I dislike him.
And indeed, my dislking Harris and no longer being a fan of him is not "punishment". Describing it as "personal punishment" or "retributive" is utterly absurd. It's not punishing someone by exercising my own free speech. Suggesting that no longer liking someone or being a fan of them equates to me being unfair and unjustly trying to punish someone seems more like a way of trying to discourage me from expressing my own opinions. Rather ironic really.
He's not on the opposite side of the political spectrum from Harris. They strongly agree on many issues and are good friends. People keep talking as if Murray was some kind of rival or that Harris was laughing at the stupidity of what he was saying. Far from it. They're in strong agreement about all this stuff.
This was not a guest he "disagreed with"......... Watch the rest of the podcast.
(May 28, 2017 at 12:53 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Everyone has a big turd fly out of their mouth periodically, its just a matter of what kind and how they recover it (if ever).
I'll let many things pass if one walks back later and disowns it fully. I know what it's like to be an angry ape in a rather tone deaf universe. I also note when others embrace shit easily.
That's why forgiving Nazis is a no-go, but ex-Nazis, maybe. It's a matter of context and face.
I remember lionizing PZ Myers and the other New Atheists. He became increasingly toxic and mean - a bully. Bullies don't stand up for others, they only think of themselves. So I walked away from my youthful adulation to find my own path.
I disagree with SteelCurtain on this topic. No one is entitled to your trust or belief. Not even the Great Sam Harris. Nor is it a personal identifiable failure to discover you don't like it when a metaphorical turd flies out of their mouths. I have not observed you advocate for penalizing Sam Harris - deciding you really don't like someone is not a punishment.
Just remember that there are varying degrees of faith, bigotry that have varying degrees of time and stickiness. Which means sometimes it's salvageable, sometimes not and sometimes it doesn't matter. Life has many opportunities for improvement.
Yeah, I agree 100% here. If he later apologizes for being so complicit and laughing along rather than standing up against such crap spewed against transgender people, if he apologized for at least seeming to be endorsing such ignorance on gender issues... then I would no longer dislike him.
But until them, I dislike him.
And indeed, my dislking Harris and no longer being a fan of him is not "punishment". Describing it as "personal punishment" or "retributive" is utterly absurd. It's not punishing someone by exercising my own free speech. Suggesting that no longer liking someone or being a fan of them equates to me being unfair and unjustly trying to punish someone seems more like a way of trying to discourage me from expressing my own opinions. Rather ironic really.
