The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will

[Anon2381]

How do theists justify the fact that people have different experiences, not under their own control in anyone's definition of free-will, and maintain that God is Just.

BECAUSE FREE WILL IS NEVER MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE!!!! IT IS A GREEK CONSTRUCT LATER ADDED TO "CHURCH DOCRTINE!"

Let's play pretend.  Sure let's pretend you know the difference between the Christianity set up in the bible and the one set up by men via things like 'church doctrine.' Let us also assume that you understand that church doctrine is often rife with contradictions, such as free will. But if you take what God actually says over that of what man says God said.. you get a completely different understanding of Christianity...

Let's play pretend you understand this but are going to ask your rehashed respun atheist standard question anyway.

Little Bobby is born in a nice western country.  

I think Chad or"zander" would be a better "white name."

He is never hungry, goes to nice schools, and is taught about the glory of God and Jesus.  He marries and has a wonderful, healthy family.  12 grandkids, all joyful.
He has some minor illnesses, but nothing major until whatever ends his wonderfully full life at age 89.

Little Jamal

Great name choice draws a very distinct picture.

is born in a developing nation to a poor family, he is born with a major disability.  He is often hungry, but his family scrapes by.  His only education is in a hut by a foreign priest.  He's lucky to have it at all.

Quick question what of those born here in that same situation? Does geography really become that final straw for you?

He also is taught about the glory of Jesus and God his entire life.  He goes to church, and is model. He volunteers in his community, shares what little food he has, etc.  He maries, has kids, and then his wife is raped and murdered and his children die of starvation in a war dropped on his country that he absolutely nothing to do with, when he was just trying to live well and get by.
He loses his faith, and dies in a ditch at age 45.

@ 45 and in such harsh conditions this brother should have well more than simple faith between Himself and God. Not to say the test of loosing everything is not a test between you and God. It was the central test between Job and God. Meaning I think in this situation the man who has lived the harder life may be far more developed spiritually that the douche in america.

But let's just say he did and lost his will to serve God.. then died. Is it in your mind such a person is going to hell? So then what was this man's sin? was it to blaspheme the Holy Spirit? No not according to your narrative. As He life 45 years in communion with God. So then why would this sin not be forgiven like anyother? Not to say Christ could simply not forgive him because he was never chosen, but if he were then again why would their be any forgiveness for this man?

Now, let's even pretend that all of life is a test, and God will give every person a chance, after death, to recognize his glory and accept him.  So even nonbelievers, fallen away believers, people of other faiths, etc, all get this sort of second chance to make this supposed choice.

This life is a test, so that we may know and be assured that if we wind up in Hell it is because our nature demands it. or vise versa. Our judgement is not so much about what we will or will not do. as God already knows the answer to it if and when given the chance. Christ will judge if you have or have not been given the chance and then what you decided or would have decided. Because at that point it will have already been done.

If Jamal is so angry and upset by the fact that God allowed his family to suffer that he disavows God even after meeting him after death, but Bobby gets a straight ticket to heaven because he never had a reason to doubt OR to be upset at God, how is that anything remotely JUST?

Maybe just maybe Jamal loved his family more than God. Or even deeper, the soul who would become Jamal would always love his family MORE than God, And God knew this. So He placed the soul that would become Jamal in a situation that showed the soul why He could never be content in an eternity with God. So that when Jamal went to Hell Jamal knew that God was right and can find peace with the idea that he could never love God, as God has asked us to love Him, in the only two commands we actually have. (Love God with all of our being and love our neighbors as ourselves.) The whole rest of the law is satisfied if we can simply follow those two commands.


Then maybe Bobby's soul is exactly what God is looking for minus a few instances of sin. So he gets the easier life...

Or maybe Jamal Spirit wanted to be tested and be in a position to receive a higher reward, was tested and failed several times. Is failing God's test a sin? Not one that's can't be forgiven. If Jamal went in a believer there is still hope. it just depends on where his heart i in this matter.

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In the church where Jamal goes to, he is the model and well liked by all, I suppose.
This guy has enough food that he can afford to share some.
A woman, who he knew well, was raped and not only that, she was then murdered.
Some children that he also knew very well, actually starved to death.
Why does this guy get all the breaks, what the fuck is god thinking, it's so unfair.

I think this is a shithouse atheist argument.
It's like, 'If your god was real, then why isn't everybody exactly the same as each other?'

Actually if your God is real why don't we all live in heaven?

WTF ? Bobby's soul is exactly what god is looking for?  God knew Jamel couldn't be content with eternity in heaven?
And you say God put these souls in these boys knowing the choices they'd make. Well how about this analogy of your freewill idea:
God holds a gun to your head (pretend god is more compassionate than his eternity in hell plan).
God says " You are my beautiful child made in my image please come with me to paradise forever!" "Be my beautiful bride
or if you don't I will blow your brains out."  
So this is what your god is offering. As an adult I can see how screwed up that is. 
I was a born-again christian for many years with the one goal to be a pastors wife. My aunt had a dream when I was 14 that I married a dark haired pastor. My parents had me meet with our pastors wife and because I give a shit about people I was sold on the idea. I had this personal relationship with Jesus you christians talk about. All wrapped up with speaking in tongues, and being slain in the spirit yada yada yada. Well its all a load of crap. Also a huge waste of time and thoughts. Im fine with people that want to believe in this god of the Bible if it makes them more at peace with death.  But I have a problem with Christians who think they can explain how their insane god picks and chooses people heaven and hell. It just proves your god is not worthy of love.