RE: I Used To Be A Fan But I Am Now Shocked, Disgusted And Appalled With Sam Harris
May 30, 2017 at 6:08 am
(This post was last modified: May 30, 2017 at 6:22 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 29, 2017 at 7:31 pm)Crunchy Wrote:(May 29, 2017 at 7:07 pm)Hammy Wrote: When Murray says they're all "weirdos" and Sam Harris laughs along and agrees with him... that certainly makes them bigoted transphobic assholes, though.
Lot's was said. It was a rant so you're assuming you know exactly why he was laughing but you don't really know you're just assuming. Harris himself said he thought it was about political correctness.
Yes lots was said. Including transgender people being referred to as "weirdos" while his friend laughs along and agrees.
There is a such thing as being complicit.
To pretend to be completely ignorant about why he is laughing and agreeing with what was said is just disingenuous.
(May 30, 2017 at 3:59 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: I despise Charles Murray, but equating his use of Weirdo in this context with a slur is a bit much IMO.
Who is Charles Murray and when did he say "weirdo"?
I think you mean Douglas Murray
Anyways, this is where your mistake is: Calling any entire group of people "weirdos" merely for belonging to that group is bigoted. Just because you don't consider the word bad enough in that context to be a slur doesn't make it not a slur in that context.
Or if it does make it not a slur the fact it's not technically a slur ("That's not a true slur!") is irrelevant to the fact that it's an extremely bigoted label for all transwomen either way. It's as bad as a slur. And the fact he thinks transwomen are "weirdos" because to him they're just "men with penises" and he think that makes them "weirdos" is why I would consider it a slur.
But, again, slur or not is irreevant. The whole point is that bigoted views are bigoted views and that is exactly what he is expressing here. Saying that transwomen are weirdos and men with penises is analogous to referring to black people as N-words who like watermelons and fried chicken.
And of course my whole point is that transphobia, homophobia and racism are all equally bad because all bigotry against a whole group of people is equally bad. If Murray had came onto Sam's show saying that all gay people or all African Americans were "weirdos" and Sam Harris laughed along with it and said it was hilarous... suddenly my view that Sam Harris is a bigoted friend of a bigot wouldn't be seen as so ridiculous. And this just betrays the ignorance about the very real issue of transphobia.
