(June 1, 2017 at 3:11 pm)Drich Wrote:Drich(May 31, 2017 at 11:16 am)Khemikal Wrote: Mea culpa, it seems that you have a more internally confused position on matter than I expected. Even though you've often commented on the disturbing meaninglessness of life and death in the absence of god..Because I can imagine the emptiness or lack of consciousness before I was born. and simply apply that to eternity future.
Quote:you also seem to harbor fear of future suffering in the event that god -does- exist.Because believe it or not I experienced the judgement and being cast into Hell ever it be for a short moment or two.
Quote: I don't.I didn't when I was in your shoes either. Now I know better.
Quote: I don't harbor fear of future suffering if god does exist, or if god doesn't. It seems to me that death will be difficult for you regardless, but..I guess, you think not.
Well actually now that I know what to expect and have properly prepared for death I would like to think I should welcome it when it comes for me.
As I have no fear of oblivion nor judgement.
Quote:Meh, that doesn't concern me either.Got your judgement day defense straigeity down do you?? going to tell God off and put him in a paradoxical situation and freeze him from action are you?
Good luck with that one sport.
Just one question.. What if the attributes of God you are using to lock God into a paradox of morality are not attributes of the God of the bible/The God judging you?
Quote:I never believed in god to begin with, so I didn't have to talk myself in or out of anything. You say alot of things.....lol. Death, meanwhile is just as difficult, or easy...to me, regardless of the god question.You sure know/assume a lot about what you do not believe in.
Quote:You have faith based fears in that regard. I don't. If your beliefs were even remotely accurate, I guess I'd be standing there giving an account of my life. And? Is this the part where I'm supposed to quiver with fear and gnash my teeth and beg for gods grace? Probably not what's going to happen, eh, certainly hasn't happened yet.For me the 'fear happen' when I woke up from this life in the real world, and faced judgement. Because I knew if this much was true then I was not going to be there long. For the moments I was there I felt complete and connected. I knew I had made some very bad mistakes.
Quote:As I mentioned previously, these little fears of yours have a limited subset of applicability.Again now, I've faced both. I know where I stand and what I believe. There is no fear. I have been tempered and tested I know I am good one way or the other. You on the other hand reek of the same boisterous fear I had before I was judged. (Go back to my hell thread, and I too listed the reasons I was not afraid.) The thing with fear is you do not know how you will react until you have been tested by it.
Remember fear is the opposite of rational. You can only pretend to rationally tell me what you will do when facing your fear.
Quote:Namely, yourself. It may be easier, for you (lol?) to die if there's no god..fearing that gods judgement of you...but I don't fear judgement. I'm afraid of stuff like the dark, and snakes...judgement, from a god or any other thing....just doesn't show up on that list.yeah, Good luck with that sport.
It makes sense to me why you believe in this invisible God. You sound like you've had some experience with sin, fear of death, you were cast into hell believe it or not. Not, but I see where your coming from. God can help focus you away from your own fears and problems, but what your not realizing is you are still afraid and lying to yourself for comfort. I did that for years. Sometimes I still do that. Different coping mechanisms work, but God is a distraction from reality.
Good luck with that sport
I was a born-again christian for many years then I got woke.. and now life is better in so many ways. It's taking me time to see my value and find my voice, but the reward is liberating knowing my path is not dictated or controlled by fear of death and the unknown. Casting off the shackles of religion is pretty fucking awesome. The beautiful people I've met on this forum have more heart and compassion than any group of people I've been apart of. So back off Jesus and followers, because this bitch is done with Chu.