The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will

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The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will

~~Edwardo Piet~~

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RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will

June 2, 2017 at 10:43 am (This post was last modified: June 2, 2017 at 10:45 am by Edwardo Piet.)

Quote:Free will is a precious gift from God, for it lets us love him with our “whole heart”—because we want to.—Matthew 22:37.

It seems to me that this definition of Free Will is completely compatible with determinism and fate and God predetermining everything you do.

I.e. it's not the free will most people believe in. It's the compatabilist version. Basically it's a mere labelling of ordinary human will. The Bible is saying that the ordinary willpower everyone knows they have is "free will" merely because we can do what we want. Even though what we want is determined by God.

So the Bible doesn't really support free will.

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The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Aroura - May 23, 2017 at 7:24 pm

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RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Mystical - May 23, 2017 at 9:32 pm

RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Aroura - May 23, 2017 at 10:24 pm

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RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Harry Nevis - May 24, 2017 at 7:38 am

RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - May 24, 2017 at 8:23 am

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RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by John V - May 24, 2017 at 2:54 pm

RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Mystical - May 27, 2017 at 7:51 pm

RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Amarok - May 27, 2017 at 7:59 pm

RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by LastPoet - May 24, 2017 at 3:51 pm

RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Harry Nevis - May 24, 2017 at 2:43 pm

RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - May 24, 2017 at 4:52 pm

RE: The Problem of Evil combined with the problem of Free Will - by Anomalocaris - May 24, 2017 at 8:51 am

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