Why Do Atheists Criticize People's Beliefs?
June 4, 2017 at 11:35 am
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2017 at 11:47 am by Valyza1.)
(June 4, 2017 at 8:54 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(June 3, 2017 at 3:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote: No, I don't. I think that people who act out their religious beliefs in terrible ways are good people who have been compelled to do a bad thing. The guy who slices up his daughters genitalia thinks he's helping her. In your thought experiment, that's how it played out. We had good people doing good things, and bad people doing bad things. Then, with beleif, a good man doing a bad thing. An anomalous point of data.
If the question is what was more heavily weighted, belief or personality...in your thought experiment.......belief, and obviously so. It was the only instance in which the outcome was not like the others.
If belief can be blamed in person A's case, leaving him blameless, why can't the same be done for C? You're excusing A because you feel his beliefs compelled him. Is C not under the same onus? If we excuse people on account of them forming actions that are consonant with bad beliefs, then there is no one who will not be excused. You've just redrawn the lines so that the person isn't responsible for their beliefs in one case, but they are in another. That's inconsistent.
Agreed (somewhat). This is the fallacy of the whole "if not for religion, such and such a type of person would be great" argument. It assumes that beliefs are more cause than symptom. This is a baseless assumption. If that were true, wouldn't you think that everyone with the same belief would be acting in similar ways? That was the point of the hypothetical. A and B have the same belief, but A reacts one way and B reacts completely differently. Since both situations are plausible, the suggestion is plausible that belief is not the determining factor.
[edit]people like Sam Harris blame Faith for ignoble life sacrifices like suicide bombings, but never credit it for noble life sacrifices like in war or emergencies.