RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 8, 2017 at 10:02 am
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2017 at 10:08 am by Jenny A.)
(June 8, 2017 at 4:21 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(June 7, 2017 at 6:05 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Well most early scientists were Christian. The world has both science and religion in most counties. So yes. However, in order for progress to occur, religions must either change in light of scientific findings, ignore the findings, or change the scope of religion. This much of Christianity has been doing for a long time. What there isn't room for is both dogmatic theology regarding the physicalities of the world and science.
Don't you think the most early scientists were pagan? Many ancient Greeks and Romans embraced rationalism and scientific inquiry as a way to understand the world. Think of the accomplishments of people like Aristotle, Ptolemy, Pythagoras, Democritus, Archimedes, Pliny the Elder, Theophrastus, Galen, and Euclid. If any faith should get credit for science, it would be paganism.
When Christianity took hold in Europe about 500 CE, science didn't come into its own until much later. The authoritarianism of the church suppressed the kind of freethinking that really did produce modern European science. Heresies like Arianism (the notion of God not as a trinity but a single being) and Manichaeism (the belief that God is benevolent but not omnipotent) were brutally suppressed. Indeed, the notion of "heresy" itself is explicitly anti scientific. If science and Christianity co-exist so nicely why that thousand-year delay? Why, if science and Christianity co-existed nicely and Christianity promoted scientific innovation during the Middle Ages, did Europe show no economic growth for a millennium?
Pagan is just a word for other people's none top five relegions.
Mostly the Greeks you are you are citing were mathematicians, philosophers, and engineers though some real science was done. And their inquiries led to religious like philosophy. Pythagoras was convinced that relationship between pleasing harmonies and the ratios of the harp string used to produce the notes proved that god was math. Ptolemy was as certain for mystical reasons that the earth was the center of the world as any bishop fighting Galolao. He invented much complex math in doing so. Nother to denigrate the great strides these men made, but while a scientific revolution of sorts happened in the golden age of Greece mostly it was a mathematical and philosophical one. And it occurred alongside religion.
The Roman Empire rose and preformed rather amazing engineering feats in a very religious world. Christianity didn't bring that to a sudden halt either. The final fall of Rome did. Nor did enquiry stop in Middle Ages. Agricultural and craft improvements continued. What did stop almost all together was scientific enquiry for its own sake. That returned with the Renessance. And the men who brought it back were Christian. Galileo was not only persecuted by the church, but also part of it. Newton and Libnitz were Christian. Heck, Newton wasted much time contemplating how many angels can stand on a pin.
Modern scientists may be largely atheist, but the world is still largely religious. The Chinese are currently making great strides while becoming more and more religious. My guess is that is because they are becoming more open and that entails allowing religious as well as economic freedom.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.