(June 8, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(June 8, 2017 at 4:09 pm)Aliza Wrote: But the question isn't whether or not science and religion are the same thing or whether they agree or disagree with each other. The question is whether or not they can co-exist in a society.
To which I answer no, if co-existing has some requirement of maintaining the integrity of both in any sense of the current religious field.
Quote:I believe they can. I'm a theist and a physics major. I have no problem being both a religious person and scientist.
To which I concede that they -do-..just that one or the other, inevitably and in every case........loses it's integrity. It ha to, because the religions we have, today, make falsifiable and falsified claims. Some better religion, some new religion..could avoid that. Maybe. Though I doubt that it would be worth much, sionce it would be avoiding any potential conflict between itself and reality by framing itself -as- such...and in so doing, remove any claim of concordance -with- reality.
You claim to be a person in whom the two co-exist...but we saw what that looked like in the last person who made a strangley similar claim...didn't we? Science went right under the bus...immediately, when it so much as rubbed up against some associated religion's claims that the defender in question didn't even believe in himself. Breathtaking.
What do you think? Can a person simultaneously accept transubstantiation -and- "lolno still a cracker"? Do you think that you don't have a cracker.....? I'm genuinely intrigued. You belong to a non magical belief-set that has no contradictions in faith, with science? Or do you simply mean to say, above, that those bits of magic and contradiction don't weigh heavily on you, where they exist by faith?
My grade point average would suggest that I'm capable of separating my religious beliefs from my science.
(I had to Google "transubstantiation.")
Judaism doesn't oppose science and science doesn't oppose Judaism. That's the position Jews take, so studying science presents no theological problem that I have to work around. When we perceive a conflict between science and religion, we can simply reevaluate. We're allowed to do that because we're Jews, not Christians. We don't play by the same set of rules that they play by. -But even if I was a member of a literalist religion, I could still be a scientist because I could still choose to compartmentalize my two worlds. I've yet to write "G-d did it," in the answer field of an exam, and there are people of other religions that I study with, and I've never known them to write that answer down either.
In fact, religion never even comes up in conversation in my science world, even though I know there are Christians, Muslims and Hindus in my classes.
