RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 12:08 am
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2017 at 12:10 am by nosferatu323.)
Quote:Wait. You acknowledge that there are people who do not believe that the universe is god and you seem fine with it. Why then are you insisting that we accept the same thing? Do you call the universe god?I think you got me wrong. I'm just saying that there are some definitions of god which's existence cannot be negated like these:
- God is being
- God is consciousness
- God is the existence itself
- God is the universe itself
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Quote:Also, enough with the straw manning already. You keep doing that. Stop telling other people what they believe.Ok.
Quote:definition of a god you provided has been negated
I think I understand your position and you also understand mine. We only need to settle this one issue. You see the point I want to make is that god is not something definite it's just a word. people from different cultures have given different meanings to this word, some people in the human history considered god to be the universe as a whole. Please note that this is not a claim! this is simply a definition. You cannot negate a definition.
Now I'm asking you: Why god cannot be the universe? what prevents the universe to be considered god? what definitions/characteristics/conditions do you have for god in your mind which are inapplicable to the universe?
Quote:Atheists are under no obligation to provide a definition of gods we don't believe in. Theists assert that a god - at least - exists; atheists reject that assertion as unsupported until it's not. If the god(s) in which atheists don't believe is ill-defined, or undefined, that's the theists' problem.I don't think that's true. When I say "X does not exist" I must define X, otherwise my sentence does not have any meaning.