RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 9:20 am
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2017 at 9:42 am by Mister Agenda.)
nosferatu323 Wrote:Hello everyone,
I'm trying to understand the Atheist's point of view and I came across a question, I'd be grateful if you guys help me figure it out.
As you know there are many different gods in various cultures and religions which are significantly varied. The term "God" does not refer to a specific entity. So when you guys say "I don't believe in God" which god(s) are you referring to? What is the definition of that god which does not exist? There are certain gods that clearly do exist . Like the Pantheist's god which is the universe itself, so I assume you are referring to a "certain group of gods" I'd like to know what defines that certain group?
Thanks for reading and sorry for any mistakes or inaccuracies in my use of the English language.
Cheers.
Every god I've heard proposed so far, and every god I haven't heard of (why would I believe in a god I haven't heard of?). I don't believe calling a cat, or the universe, a god makes it one, though the cat has a better case going for it, at least it's a conscious being.
nosferatu323 Wrote:I appreciate your answers.
Quote:All of them.Thank you.
Right, so, not a god..just "the universe".
Do you like chocolate? If I told you that liking chocolate was being an atheist...-that's just what I meant by the terms..would you then agree that you were also an atheist?
Welcome aboard. You talk good and everything.
You asserted that you lack the belief in "all gods". I just presented you the Pantheist's god which is the universe itself. For pantheist, god is another term to refer to the universe. You are claiming that universe cannot be god and these two cannot be unified. I assume this is your subjective opinion. This is a fact that the universe is considered as god in various beliefs.
It is a fact that Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, is considered a god by some. Why should it follow that I agree Prince Philip was/is actually a god?
nosferatu323 Wrote:As for your analogy, I suppose this is a false analogy. Unlike god, Atheism has a very clear definition and nobody would accept your definition " liking chocolate was being an atheist". But "god is the universe" is a valid definition of god, it might be different from the version of god that you have known, but that doesn't mean it's an unacceptable definition.
You not liking an analogy doesn't make it false. Analogies don't have to be perfect to work. If I came up with a better analogy for you being considered an atheist, would you agree that you are an atheist?
nosferatu323 Wrote:When you state "I do not believe in any gods" you are implying that you are aware of all gods and you deny their existence. But I just presented the pantheist's god which's existence cannot be negated.
He didn't state that he denied their existence. You stuck that in, dishonestly in my opinion. What god that you haven't heard of do YOU believe in?
nosferatu323 Wrote:"God is the universe itself" is a definition of god. I'm giving you the definition you do not need any other definitions of god, just consider god is another word to refer to the universe, so I assume you do believe in this god. What I'm asking from you is the definition of those gods in which you do not believe.
I don't consider god as another word to refer to the universe so I don't believe in this 'god', I don't believe the universe is a god. If I define atheism as not believing in the supernatural and you don't believe in the supernatural, that makes you an atheist, right? Because that's what you're trying to do with us: you're trying to get us to say we believe in some god or other, because then, by definition, we would be theists. That's a pretty shitty tack to take, if you ask me.
nosferatu323 Wrote:As an atheist (I assume you are an atheist since you answered my question) you are asserting that "I don't believe in god(s)". The burden is upon you to provide the definition for god, not anyone else. Otherwise you are denying the existence of something which you cannot define which is non-sensical.
You keep saying 'denying' when we say 'not believing'. Do you believe in Bigzypop? If so, I'd really like you to explain how you manage that.
nosferatu323 Wrote:Thank you. That's what I'm asking. What are those things that an Atheist denies their existence?
'Does not believe in the existence of' is not synonymous with 'denies the existence of'.
Jesster Wrote:I can call my left shoe a god, but that doesn't make it any more special than it was before. The same applies to the universe. What does calling it a god do for it?
It's just a way some theists or deists try to define natural things into deities, so they can say deities are real. Like naming your Ottoman Bugs Bunny so you can say Bugs Bunny is real. It's a form of exhibitionistic mental masturbation.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.