RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 10:42 am
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2017 at 10:46 am by nosferatu323.
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Quote:His concept of god differed not only from the abrahamic god, but from other concepts of god or the divine..such as, for example, those contained in the vedas (which probably require a term other than pantheism to accurately describe them as well). In fact, his concept of a god differed so much from those other concepts..that it's clear that spinoza and any brand of theist -or- atheist aren't even having the same conversation when they discuss "god".I don't think this is true. The god Spinoza is talking about resembles closely the way god is identified in the Vedas. Furthermore there are branches in all Abrahamic religions that have very similar (if not the same) conceptions of god: Kabbalah tradition in Judaism and Sufism in Islam are more examples to support the argument the the god of Spinoza has been considered a god throughout other major religions. As I mentioned again before, the way I see this matter is that you are simply reasserting your subjective opinion that god and the universe cannot fall into one category. This is not true. This is a fact that god and the universe have fallen into the same category throughout the human history. This is a fact and is not falsifiable.
This is about the similarity of Spinozism and Vedanta extracted from the Wikipedia page on Spinoza.
Quote:Quote:... a western system of philosophy which occupies a foremost rank amongst the philosophies of all nations and ages, and which is so exact a representation of the ideas of the Vedanta, that we might have suspected its founder to have borrowed the fundamental principles of his system from the Hindus, did his biography not satisfy us that he was wholly unacquainted with their doctrines... We mean the philosophy of Spinoza, a man whose very life is a picture of that moral purity and intellectual indifference to the transitory charms of this world, which is the constant longing of the true Vedanta philosopher... comparing the fundamental ideas of both we should have no difficulty in proving that, had Spinoza been a Hindu, his system would in all probability mark a last phase of the Vedanta philosophy.
Quote:Not believing in any woo is a pretty good definition of atheistI guess atheists can believe in woo as long as it is not a deity. Am I wrong?
Quote:Show us actual scientific proof that the god YOU believe in exists and then we will have something tangible to talk aboutThe existence of the god that I believe in is a tautology. It cannot be false, hence does not need any positive evidence of its own.
Quote:I wonder if there will ever be a theist visiting us, opening with 'I want to know what you think', who will ever actually ask us what we think without telling us what we think?I'm sorry that you don't like the way it went. You see, I mentioned the idea of pantheism and I learned that you guys might not be quite familiar with the concept of god in pantheism which is drastically different from the western Judeo-Christian god. So I thought it's a good idea to try to explain pantheism and discuss that maybe the existence of god in pantheism cannot be negated in atheism. Anyways, I'll try to be more observant in my future post, thank you for bringing this up.