RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new
June 25, 2017 at 1:24 pm
(June 25, 2017 at 12:49 pm)Roeki Wrote:(June 25, 2017 at 12:01 pm)Aliza Wrote: In what sense do Jews use the term "test?"
If Hindus believe that bad things happen because of karma, does that belief change their response to dealing with the problem?
Well jews dont believe hell fire is torment, the fire they think of is to cleanse you from unpure stuff, but not torture. Basically hell is more that you are ashamed or something and have to be rehabilitated. King of what psychologists do before you go to heaven. Basically in judaism anyone can go to heaven if they are good or dont commit blasphemy etc.... though even if they are bad there doesnt seem to be much consequences. Well unless you reaaaaaally are just awful, and that has to be on a huge level. There is this place called Abaddon, which esentially means your soul and body goes to the void or something, the nothingness.
Not the point. Jews not having a "hell" has nothing to do with their beginnings. Even in their history there ARE punishments handed down by Yahweh for not following his orders.
"Hell is more that you are ashamed of something and have to be rehabilitated".......
No, ^^^^^^ that is your current western pluralistic modern interpretation. In antiquity in both polytheism and monotheism punishment was far more severe and taken very literally.
Even with the OT the Jewish god Yahweh is not depicted as being very kind to dissent. "Shame" in antiquity worldwide was more about not towing the tribal line. Even Yahweh as a character, even without an afterlife hell, DOES punish people with all sorts of horrible things for not obeying him.
The mortality rate worldwide back then, even in Asia and India, was much higher, and everyone back then lived under ruling families. Back then it was far more important to support your tribal state against rivals.
"Jews don't have a hell" is arguing details when I am arguing the motif of punishment and severe punishment is depicted in the Hebrew tradition. When bad things happened to Jews back then, while alive, they were simply chalking it up to Yahweh being angry with them. No hell or afterlife required for that.
