A Question From Atheists

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So, you haven't experienced it, but you think that's what happens....and can't explain either why you think that, or why it doesn't happen?  

That's not what I said. I think my personal experience is irrelevant here, so I just avoid bringing it into the discussion. Let's assume, just assume that I'm experiencing myself and the universe in a way that is not conceivable by people who haven't gone through the same meditative practices  due to a drastically different subjective experience. Does this claim add anything to this discussion? I don't think so. 

What can you do, what can you explain?  

I think there is a misconception, I'm not following a logical reasoning here. I do not want to prove anything I don't think I can and I don't think it's possible. All I'm doing is it to suggest, merely suggest (and not prove) that universe can be perceived in an alternative way. I also introduced a simple technique that can help the individual to achieve this perception which you found displeasing I suppose. So this is what I try to say:

1. There are many people who claim the universe can be perceived in a drastically different way (I know this is not a proof or anything)
   
2. They claim this happens when the "I thought" is removed (this is also just a claim nothing more)
   
3. Some of these people suggest various techniques that anyone can employ to remove the "I thought"  (these are very definite, precise techniques) 
   

All that I'm saying it to suggest that if anyone is interested, they can try these techniques to see if the above claims are true. I'm not trying to prove that you should do that. I can't and I don't want to persuade you either. This is merely a suggestion. Please note that you can actually go and practice those techniques and see if they are true. I completely understand that you might not want to put time and effort on something that you find unfounded and nonsensical. There is nothing I can do about it and I absolutely respect your opinion. But please understand that if the claim of these individuals is true, they don't have any way to "prove" to you, they can't let you see their subjective universe and verify their claim. If you want to make sure whether their claim is true or not, you should try it yourself.