If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new

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But it's not my death being 'used' for this test of my character, is it? Let me clarify. Everything I said is in the context of "if the purpose of her life (or anyone's) was to die in order to test me".

No it's not.

You act like no one is able to go back and look at the context. I was directly replying to your response to Brian.

And Altas, while I am glad you are a liberal Muslim, please understand that "it's a test" is bad argument Christians and Jews use as well.

The morality of claiming "its a test" is horrible.

For example, a 5 year old boy or girl gets kidnapped by a molester, raped and butchered and murdered. In reality unfortunately that happens all the time. Exactly what kind of "test" is that to the kid? What could a kid do at such a young age to deserve that kind of "test".

No sorry.

A test is something you take in school. A test is something you do to get a spot on a sporting team. A test is something you take to get a job. Violence and death is not a "test". An unfortunate reality sure, but the idea of it being a test is immoral.

^^^ This. So very much this. As I said before, if the sweetest woman I will ever have the honour to know had to die for the sake of some obscure "test", then fuck this test, fuck this god, and quite frankly fuck you too for having such a shitty dismissive attitude to the lives of other people.

*emphasis mine*

As you can see Brian was clearly speaking of a kids death as being a test... FOR THE KID, not anyone else, and you agreed, my point is that makes absolutely no sense because what benefit do you gain from a "test" if you're dead? Furthermore God only tests those that he calls sons, so you guys really are discussing a moot point.

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Think for a second, the purpose of a trial is to build character, death would be counter productive...

Sorry but now all you are doing is switching the word "test" with "trial".

Well yes, because nowhere in the KJV does it use the word "test", it uses "trial", so that would be YOU switching the word.

Would you consider it a "trial" if you worked in a restaurant, and your boss never told you about the gas leak, or anyone for that matter, and while you were working the kitchen blew up, several people died but you barely survived? I'd fucking sue in that case. I'd make sure the fucker not only paid my medical bills, but also spent some time in prison for manslaughter.

You are playing word games. Violence and death suck, everyone gets that, but there is no puppeteer setting us up in a rigged game.

And witnessing trauma DOES NOT always "build character". There are even cops and military whom after witnessing violence and death, suffer from PTSD and end up committing suicide.

And this also insults the memory of my own mother. I watched her die. No, it wasn't on a battlefield or in trying to save a kid from a house fire. I watched her slowly decline over a couple week period. And even without the violence I can tell you it is nothing anyone wants to see, but worldwide death happens from everything on average 50 to 60 million times per year.

Death happens in the womb, in birth, it happens in childhood and adult to old age. We die from everything worldwide. Disease, famine, accident, natural disaster, man made disaster, crime and war. Death is not sexy at all, it is ugly and for you to romance it with the word "trial" is no different than using the word "test" to me.

"Trial" doesn't explain shit. Only study of the causes helps us avoid the causes. And even in trying to avoid all the countless ways we can die, we still do.

The urge to survive after facing such things should not be trivialized with hollow cliches. If we wish as a species to extend our ride, we seek data and study that data and adapt to that data.

Okay, you're just going on an incoherent  rant. I clearly stated God does not try people by killing them... yet you ignore that statement and stick to that narrative. If God puts someone through a trial the Bible makes it clear that he will not put someone through something that they are not able to handle.

There hath no temptation taken hold of you but such as is common to man. But God is faithful; He will not suffer you to be tempted beyond that which ye are able to bear, but with the temptation will also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. - 1 Corinthians 10:13

You understand that if you want to be a Navy seal that you must pass their trials, correct? If you want to be a son of God you have to be tried in order to be found worthy of that title.

Got it?