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If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new
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RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new
(June 26, 2017 at 7:28 pm)Astonished Wrote: You're going the colossal asshole route of telling me it's my fault I didn't have a relationship with your imaginary friend? Fuck off with that shit, you fucking infant. If you hear nothing but silence for 8 straight years when you're most impressionable, at some point you have to wonder how invested this god is in having a relationship with us, and even a child can see through that bullshit when it's completely obvious that they're being fed a lie, no different than Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny. All that tells me is you're psychotic, potentially dangerously so, because you're describing symptoms of numerous disorders you seem to be experiencing. The thing is, when I tell you how to fix that problem, my method will actually produce results. And I'm not going to blame you for why you're in that condition unless you want to act the damn fool even more.

GC Wrote:It's you who's being profane and insolent and showing your lack of intelligence in the process. If you didn't hear from God for eight years it couldn't have anything to do with you could it. Why no, you are always right and everyone else is wrong, typical when you fail.

Astonished Wrote:He proudly proclaims to be jealous in the worst way, and forbids the worship of other gods; how much more fucking insecure can you get? It's almost like he's powerless to do away with these other gods, like he's a namby-pamby bitch who can't expand his influence beyond one measly tribe (big surprise that that's where the mythology emerged) or spread the word around the world himself. So insecure he couldn't just let us have our tower and unite and be good and cooperative to each other.

GC Wrote:Look where we are at the present time, living in a world on the brink of several disasters, do you call the human race secure in the light of what we have made of this world. God has never been insecure and any thought like that is foolish. God had lived eternal before He created us and was doing quite well.

Astonished Wrote:So insecure he had to prove a point to one of his other failed creations so he had to butt-fuck Job half to death without a care for Job's feelings on the matter. So insecure he constantly has to test people's faith, like Abraham with Isaac. So insecure he couldn't just leave it at whatever number of plagues he already unleashed on Egypt and had to fuck with Pharaoh's free will so he could do even more. I mean, at some point you have to admit that psychology makes Yahweh a test case for every fucking disorder out there and probably some we don't actually see in normal humans.

GC Wrote:Satan challenged God, of coarse you haven't realized that as of yet. God was showing Satan and all creation that He knew Job wouldn't falter, how else would He have shown this other than to let the situation that Satan wanted play out? God test people so that we can grow in a relationship with Him, god was showing Abraham how strong He really was, you're complaining about something that Abraham did not complain about, that's just silly of you. Those plagues were given as a warning and Pharaoh ignored them, Pharaoh could have released the Israelis before all those plagues were unleashed on Egypt. You need to go back and read the account and see when Pharaoh's heart was hardened. Our free will does not extend into disrupting God's absolute will and Pharaoh was trying to do just that, God taught him who the real God is. pharaoh is responsible for what happened to Egypt.

Astonished Wrote:'So we could enjoy him and all the wonders of life'. Yeah, like cancer, birth defects, mental disorders, all things he could have flipped a switch and done without. One of the main things I had a problem with when I was being taught this stuff was the lack of equality. How can god love everyone equally if we are all clearly not being treated equally?

GC Wrote:God does love everyone equally. Sin not God is responsible for the bad things in this world, that's exactly why we need a savior, when we accept this gift from God we will be relieved of all these burdens in the next life, if not the burdens carry on in a different form. Many of the mental an physical disorders man suffers from come from the chemicals we have developed, wouldn't that be our fault? Birth defects and babies born with addictions to drugs are the fault of the mother, a lack of love for the one she is carrying. In many cases the baby comes outside of marriage, if the ones involved in making this baby had obeyed God this might not happen. Using our free will in the wrong can and does bring disaster into not only our lives but the innocent as well. God flipping the switch as you say and taking away all the things that would end our lives is against what God promised would happen if Adam and Eve disobeyed God, God is good to His word.

Astonished Wrote:That is simply an irreconcilable contradiction. If someone is born with a brain incapable of experience life in any meaningful way, and they exist according to his plan, what the fuck was the point of this 'gift'? And I don't know if it was you who brought it up but if you want to claim we weren't created to be robots and needed strife to get the full experience of life, fuck the fuck off with your delusional asshattery.

GC Wrote:That situation is for those who experience it and whether they live in a relationship with God, not you. God has promised us nothing outside of what His omniscience determines, so we are stuck with the results of the fall, they are not pleasant and were never meant to be, God did promise that He would carry those through troubled times if they believe and trust in Him. My wife and I take care of a 38 year old woman who has the mental capacity of a four year old and don't think for one minute that I haven't wondered why her. I can tell you this she is happy with who she is and knows who God is, she never complains about her situation even though she see adults around her living and doing life in a very different way than she can. She use to complain when the ungodly controlled her life and made her miserable by the way they treated her physically and mentally. Today she lives in a Godly home and is happier than she has ever been, God does love us all equally.
I've mentioned God did not create us to be robots and He didn't create us to have strife in our lives, that came from disobedience and continues today because of the same reason, in reality that reason is self pride, it began with Lucifer spread to 1/3rd of the angels through Satan's deceit and then on to Adam and Eve through that same deceit and continues to this very moment. So strife is a part of this life because of disobedience and we must deal with it, the difference between you and me is I've decided that having God to help me through life's strife is a better way to go.

Astonished Wrote:Adam and Eve were living in a paradise, so why put them there if we weren't just supposed to experience nothing but bliss? And the fact that we had to be 'punished' and denied this Eden for being set up in the first place by a combination of god's ineptitude and intentional vindictiveness should slap our consciousnesses so hard it's literally impossible for you not to see that and yet somehow you defy that. You literally have no leg to stand on anywhere.
 
GC Wrote:We were to experience a life in Eden and God did not have anything to do with setting up the first couple. It started in heave by a jealous angel who was so powerful he thought he could take his creators thrown, this should show all of us what uncontrolled selfishness can do to our minds. This angel was the smartest and most powerful being ever created and he allowed his selfishness to destroy him. He walked in the Garden of Eden with God before his fall, he was a God's side all the time before his fall yet he allowed selfishness to creep in and take over, after that it was no problem for him to deceive many angels and the first couple. Tell me how God could have been vindictive before the disobedience of Adam and Eve? I have the truth to stand on and that's all I really need, a truth I understand. The ones who side against God live with the deceit of Satan and can't find the real truth.

Astonished Wrote:Not that I care much, but does anything in any old text tell the story from the fallen angels' perspective? Like maybe there was a reason they rebelled against a god they saw as, perhaps, dictatorial and megalomaniacal and unworthy of being beholden to? Funny how if not, that's exactly what you'd expect a tyrant to do, silence the opposition's voice. And just like you'd expect a liar to say "I'm not a liar". Only the claim goes beyond that, to 'god is incapable of lying'. Hilariously transparent.

GC Wrote:The Bible is not about angels and wasn't given to them, it's for us so we can realize how to live in harmony with God our creator and savior. It's about how man has failed at life and can be redeemed back to the care of God. The OT is showing how we fail to live up to God's standard, the NT isn't about how we have lived up to His standard it is given for us to see the way to be redeemed from those failures and live a closer life to God. I've already explained to you what happened in heaven and see no need to repeat myself (go back and read above if you missed it). God hasn't silenced the opposition, that is exactly what part of the story of Job is about, Satan was allowed to tempt Jesus when He was at His physical and mentally weakest point. I have said this before and will again, God can not lie, it is not in His natural not who He is, lying for God is an impossibility as we humans understand it. God doesn't even consider lying and why should He, He is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. So even if God could lie He doesn't have to the power is His to accomplish all things without lying. Our conversations could be much better if you would eliminate the foul language and some of that superior than thou stuff. I'm not superior to you and like wise for you I'm superior to no one, my advantage to the truth is my acceptance of Christ as my savior, nothing I've done other than to accept a gift.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Messages In This Thread
The intelligent design - by KerimF - June 29, 2017 at 1:33 pm
RE: If God of Abraham is true... - by KerimF - June 29, 2017 at 5:39 pm
RE: If God of Abraham is true, - by KerimF - June 30, 2017 at 3:27 am
RE: If God of Abraham is true, - by KerimF - July 1, 2017 at 4:20 am
RE: If God of Abraham is true, - by KerimF - July 1, 2017 at 12:52 pm
RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Godscreated - June 26, 2017 at 11:13 pm
RE: If God of Abraham is true etc - by Cyberman - June 27, 2017 at 2:02 pm

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