(July 5, 2017 at 4:40 am)YouOnlyLiveTwice Wrote:(July 4, 2017 at 9:30 am)Little Rik Wrote: Easy.
A child can not yet comprehend what adulthood is all about but within he-she go ahead in the search for
something big.
Wasn't your wish when you were a child to grow up as an adult so you could expand physically-mentally and
in something else that was still unknown to you?
Of course you did.
Everybody did and does.
You are not an exception to the rule.
The child is not interested nor he is able to understand all the complexities of the adulthood but at the same time he-she wish to become one.
Why?
Because within there is an inborn tendency to become one like the little seed wish to grow and become the tree even if yet he doesn't know about the tree.
Why on earth a seed would care to get any evidence of the tree existence?
At that stage it can not yet comprehend that mighty issue but as the time goes on the child become an adult and more knowledge enter his-her consciousness.
But the inborn wish to expand doesn't end when the child become an adult.
It goes on and on until the consciousness within enter the last stage of adulthood and that is when there is no longer any differences between you and the essence of the tree of life.
As a tiny drop of water enter and merge in the ocean she become the ocean herself.
Literary imagery that puts you up there with the greats like Keats and Byron, I'm sure, but how about answering my question? Because I'm certainly willing to answer yours: why would the seed care to get evidence of the tree's existence? Well, if the seed sees a great many other seeds living in awe of and worshipping the tree despite there being absolutely no objective proof of the tree's existence, it has good reason to suspect that the tree doesn't exist at all and that the other seeds are simply brainwashed into thinking that there is one.
The fact that you opted to deflect rather than answer my question hasn't escaped me. I'll repeat my question again and in simpler terms for your sake: On what basis are you so sure that God exists? What evidence can you show me to distinguish between God's existence and you simply being deluded?
You done few mistakes Mister.
You say............if the seed sees a great many other seeds living in awe of and worshipping the tree........
Who said that that is the case?
I never said that.
Seed are like the underdeveloped form of lives (matter, vegetable life, animal life).
They have not enough consciousness yet to be able to understand the concept of worshipping.
Seed are comparable to lower form of life so a seed will have to sprout first as the matter will have to turn into vegetable life and then into animal life and human life.
Only after they reach the human dimension they will be able to understand that there is something mightier then themselves and the universe could not possibly pop up as per magic and run by itself.
If you read my previous post you would have understood this point but you didn't.
I said.................The child is not interested nor he is able to understand all the complexities of the adulthood but at the same time he-she wish to become one..........
Become one what?
Become bigger consciousness.
It doesn't yet know that bigger consciousness equal to God nevertheless it strive to expand his consciousness and get out the limitations that small consciousness force it to live as a seed or a lower form of life.
And that is an inborn wish that characterize all form of lives.
Not with the same strength because it depend on the level of consciousness that characterize each form of life.
Now let us come to your question......What evidence can you show me to distinguish between God's existence and you simply being deluded?
It is all about the amount of consciousness that people have.
Consciousness and intellect are two different things.
There are super intelligent people that are either atheists or that they wouldn't care less about God as materialism for them is more important.
Evidence of God doesn't appear as per magic.
If God see that your material or mental wishes or desires are a priority then He-She would let you go on with those desires but if he see an opening in your mind then he will start a relationship with you.
How would you know that someone may love you and is not a delusion?
Words are meaningless when you deal with love.
It is something within that tell you whether is a delusion or not but there is a huge difference between a physical-mental love and a spiritual love.
In the physical-mental love you may get the feeling of love but the other person may not so it all will turn into a delusion if that is the case.
With God that is not possible because every form of life come from Him and will eventually go back to Him.
He can not refuse a relationship with you.
A seed or a low form of life can not yet understand how the whole system works but as soon as consciousness expand as in human life then it is possible to understand provide you wish this opening of course.
Spiritual love can not be fake.
As you love the person that love you you automatically feel that that love is true.
At the same time as you feel spiritual love within you automatically know that someone is there and no delusion is possible.
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