We are God's perfect imperfection.

[Little Rik]

A tiny little seed has got 100% of the property that the big tree has yet he can not understand the tree.

Yet of course but give time and one day it will and he too will be a tree.  

An interesting little analogy, but it still doesn't answer my question. How do we, the seed, have any knowledge as to the existence of the God, the tree, if we cannot understand it? You see, in our world, a tree's existence can be proven through objective, empirical evidence. It's not quite the same with God, whose existence is seemingly confirmed only through internal revelations that have no logical or empirical consistency and absolutely no objectivity whatsoever — something I would go so far as to say qualifies as a delusion.

If your argument is that we lack the senses or "capacity" to comprehend God's existence, as the seed does with the absence of perceptual organs, then again I ask, how do we (the seed) have any certain or even probable knowledge as to the existence of God (the tree), let alone the capacity to make claims as to his properties?

To make the claim (especially with certainty) that God is beyond our understanding necessitates a degree of understanding of God's nature in of itself — which is a massive contradiction. Unless, of course, you propose to possess a privileged or enlightened sense of understanding that the rest of us has been denied? If so, then that contradicts other oft-claimed properties of God — namely that he loves us all and made us all equal. If that were the case, nobody would possess any special or privileged ability to understand God's nature, or even understand our inability to do so. So no matter where you try to go with this, you're going to end up contradicting God's oft-attributed qualities. Why? Because they're logical and philosophical contradictions in of themselves, and have always been.

Easy.

A child can not yet comprehend what adulthood is all about but within he-she go ahead in the search for
something big.
Wasn't your wish when you were a child to grow up as an adult so you could expand physically-mentally and
in something else that was still unknown to you?
Of course you did.
Everybody did and does.
You are not an exception to the rule.
The child is not interested nor he is able to understand all the complexities of the adulthood but at the same time he-she wish to become one.
Why?
Because within there is an inborn tendency to become one like the little seed wish to grow and become the tree even if yet he doesn't know about the tree.

Why on earth a seed would care to get any evidence of the tree existence?
At that stage it can not yet comprehend that mighty issue but as the time goes on the child become an adult and more knowledge enter his-her consciousness.
But the inborn wish to expand doesn't end when the child become an adult.
It goes on and on until the consciousness within enter the last stage of adulthood and that is when there is no longer any differences between you and the essence of the tree of life.

As a tiny drop of water enter and merge in the ocean she become the ocean herself. 

[JackRussell]

More deepeties from Zen master woo.

[Little Rik]

Idiot troll!

Look mate, at the moment I am very busy but as soon as I have a minute I will reply to you.

Do you mind if in the meantime I hold your query in the tray?

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

An interesting little analogy, but it still doesn't answer my question. How do we, the seed, have any knowledge as to the existence of the God, the tree, if we cannot understand it? You see, in our world, a tree's existence can be proven through objective, empirical evidence. It's not quite the same with God, whose existence is seemingly confirmed only through internal revelations that have no logical or empirical consistency and absolutely no objectivity whatsoever — something I would go so far as to say qualifies as a delusion.

If your argument is that we lack the senses or "capacity" to comprehend God's existence, as the seed does with the absence of perceptual organs, then again I ask, how do we (the seed) have any certain or even probable knowledge as to the existence of God (the tree), let alone the capacity to make claims as to his properties?

To make the claim (especially with certainty) that God is beyond our understanding necessitates a degree of understanding of God's nature in of itself — which is a massive contradiction. Unless, of course, you propose to possess a privileged or enlightened sense of understanding that the rest of us has been denied? If so, then that contradicts other oft-claimed properties of God — namely that he loves us all and made us all equal. If that were the case, nobody would possess any special or privileged ability to understand God's nature, or even understand our inability to do so. So no matter where you try to go with this, you're going to end up contradicting God's oft-attributed qualities. Why? Because they're logical and philosophical contradictions in of themselves, and have always been.

Easy.

A child can not yet comprehend what adulthood is all about but within he-she go ahead in the search for
something big.
Wasn't your wish when you were a child to grow up as an adult so you could expand physically-mentally and
in something else that was still unknown to you?
Of course you did.
Everybody did and does.
You are not an exception to the rule.
The child is not interested nor he is able to understand all the complexities of the adulthood but at the same time he-she wish to become one.
Why?
Because within there is an inborn tendency to become one like the little seed wish to grow and become the tree even if yet he doesn't know about the tree.

Why on earth a seed would care to get any evidence of the tree existence?
At that stage it can not yet comprehend that mighty issue but as the time goes on the child become an adult and more knowledge enter his-her consciousness.
But the inborn wish to expand doesn't end when the child become an adult.
It goes on and on until the consciousness within enter the last stage of adulthood and that is when there is no longer any differences between you and the essence of the tree of life.

As a tiny drop of water enter and merge in the ocean she become the ocean herself. 

Literary imagery that puts you up there with the greats like Keats and Byron, I'm sure, but how about answering my question? Because I'm certainly willing to answer yours: why would the seed care to get evidence of the tree's existence? Well, if the seed sees a great many other seeds living in awe of and worshipping the tree despite there being absolutely no objective proof of the tree's existence, it has good reason to suspect that the tree doesn't exist at all and that the other seeds are simply brainwashed into thinking that there is one.

The fact that you opted to deflect rather than answer my question hasn't escaped me. I'll repeat my question again and in simpler terms for your sake: On what basis are you so sure that God exists? What evidence can you show me to distinguish between God's existence and you simply being deluded?

[ignoramus]

YOLT, you're asking our special member LittlrRik to answer you honestly and with a straight face? You're new here huh? lol

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Not only am I new, but it appears I'm rather charitable. I had a suspicion from just this thread alone that Little Rik was the type to get on people's nerves, but whether out of pity or just naivete, I decided to give them a chance to answer my question. I don't exactly have high hopes for their response, though.

Still, the inability to answer that question diminishes the position of the theists all the same. So it's not all bad either way.

[ignoramus]

Yeah, it's not like other theists are running to his defence!

[Little Rik]

Easy.

A child can not yet comprehend what adulthood is all about but within he-she go ahead in the search for
something big.
Wasn't your wish when you were a child to grow up as an adult so you could expand physically-mentally and
in something else that was still unknown to you?
Of course you did.
Everybody did and does.
You are not an exception to the rule.
The child is not interested nor he is able to understand all the complexities of the adulthood but at the same time he-she wish to become one.
Why?
Because within there is an inborn tendency to become one like the little seed wish to grow and become the tree even if yet he doesn't know about the tree.

Why on earth a seed would care to get any evidence of the tree existence?
At that stage it can not yet comprehend that mighty issue but as the time goes on the child become an adult and more knowledge enter his-her consciousness.
But the inborn wish to expand doesn't end when the child become an adult.
It goes on and on until the consciousness within enter the last stage of adulthood and that is when there is no longer any differences between you and the essence of the tree of life.

As a tiny drop of water enter and merge in the ocean she become the ocean herself. 

Literary imagery that puts you up there with the greats like Keats and Byron, I'm sure, but how about answering my question? Because I'm certainly willing to answer yours: why would the seed care to get evidence of the tree's existence? Well, if the seed sees a great many other seeds living in awe of and worshipping the tree despite there being absolutely no objective proof of the tree's existence, it has good reason to suspect that the tree doesn't exist at all and that the other seeds are simply brainwashed into thinking that there is one.

The fact that you opted to deflect rather than answer my question hasn't escaped me. I'll repeat my question again and in simpler terms for your sake: On what basis are you so sure that God exists? What evidence can you show me to distinguish between God's existence and you simply being deluded?

You done few mistakes Mister.

You say............if the seed sees a great many other seeds living in awe of and worshipping the tree........

Who said that that is the case?
I never said that.
Seed are like the underdeveloped form of lives (matter, vegetable life, animal life).
They have not enough consciousness yet to be able to understand the concept of worshipping.
Seed are comparable to lower form of life so a seed will have to sprout first as the matter will have to turn into vegetable life and then into animal life and human life.
Only after they reach the human dimension they will be able to understand that there is something mightier then themselves and the universe could not possibly pop up as per magic and run by itself.

If you read my previous post you would have understood this point but you didn't.
I said.................The child is not interested nor he is able to understand all the complexities of the adulthood but at the same time he-she wish to become one..........

Become one what?
Become bigger consciousness.
It doesn't yet know that bigger consciousness equal to God nevertheless it strive to expand his consciousness and get out the limitations that small consciousness force it to live as a seed or a lower form of life.
And that is an inborn wish that characterize all form of lives.
Not with the same strength because it depend on the level of consciousness that characterize each form of life.

Now let us come to your question......What evidence can you show me to distinguish between God's existence and you simply being deluded?


It is all about the amount of consciousness that people have.
Consciousness and intellect are two different things.
There are super intelligent people that are either atheists or that they wouldn't care less about God as materialism for them is more important.
Evidence of God doesn't appear as per magic.
If God see that your material or mental wishes or desires are a priority then He-She would let you go on with those desires but if he see an opening in your mind then he will start a relationship with you.

How would you know that someone may love you and is not a delusion?
Words are meaningless when you deal with love.
It is something within that tell you whether is a delusion or not but there is a huge difference between a physical-mental love and a spiritual love.
In the physical-mental love you may get the feeling of love but the other person may not so it all will turn into a delusion if that is the case.
With God that is not possible because every form of life come from Him and will eventually go back to Him.
He can not refuse a relationship with you.
A seed or a low form of life can not yet understand how the whole system works but as soon as consciousness expand as in human life then it is possible to understand provide you wish this opening of course.
Spiritual love can not be fake.
As you love the person that love you you automatically feel that that love is true.
At the same time as you feel spiritual love within you automatically know that someone is there and no delusion is possible.

[Nay_Sayer]

YOLT, Rikki tikki is the type you would see on the special classroom eating the paste and finger painting with hi own poop.  

It's best advise if you attempt any conversation to get yourself ready for that mindset, then, lower the bar about 10 more notches.

[JackRussell]

Well he thinks he is Riki Tiki Tavi, battling the evil serpents.