(July 6, 2017 at 2:51 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(July 5, 2017 at 9:00 pm)Jesster Wrote: Yes, I understand your beliefs there. You just seem to have an agenda here. If you don't actually care about convincing me of anything, I could always move on instead of replying to you anymore. I may be open minded, but I'm not going to waste my time if this isn't going anywhere. Up to you.
Of course I care or I would not be here. My agenda as you put it is to give an account of why I believe in the triune God of creation and salvation, the God of the Bible. I do debate certain issues some times and defend my position on certain things, but I like to try and bring things around to why I believe.
(July 5, 2017 at 8:36 pm)Godscreated Wrote: That is all Christ said I needed to do, show others why I believe. This is what I do here, I do not beat anyone over the head or shove it down their throats.
Jesster Wrote:Then show me. So far all you are doing is telling me that you believe and not actually presenting any good reason. Like I said before, I am all ears. You just aren't telling me much so far.
I came to faith because I attended church as a young child and heard God's plan, later in my life God through the Holy Spirit convicted me of my need for salvation because I realized through His conviction I was a sinner and I accepted His gift of salvation through Christ. Over many years and much searching and asking things of God He gave me the proof, proof that He is who He says He is. Somethings came in physical things others came from answered prayers, a whisper in my ear if you will. Yes, I understood it was God who spoke to me because of the specific answers I was given. Deep devotion to God is why He answered, not just because some man wanting to hear something from Him to satisfy curiosity.
(July 5, 2017 at 8:36 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I can't do anymore than give my reasons for my belief. What is it you would have me to do, give you proof of God, that's what He does when you come to faith in Him. I keep trying because I care even if you do not believe I do. God has said He will always be there for those who truly want to know Him. Like you have said others in there religions are devout and I agree, but it gets them nowhere because their faith is misplaced, could it be that back when you misplaced your faith for some reason and missed the actual call of God. You wouldn't be the first, many preachers have found they did after many years in the pulpit, most of them finial understood and gave themselves to God.
GC
Jesster Wrote:I don't care who reveals information to me. So far your god hasn't made anything clear to me even though I was a devout Christian for most of my life. That proof you are describing never came to me, so I can't identify with your claims at all. I wanted to know God, but it was a hopeless search. It had nothing to do with churches or pastors, since I studied religion on my own after they couldn't give me anything worthwhile. What would you suggest that I haven't already done? I can assure you that I am not going to waste my entire life looking. I've approached this honestly and earnestly for well over a decade already. To keep this close with the topic of the thread a bit more, I even came directly to religion when I was going through the worst of my suicidal struggles. All I ever got there was threats of damnation, but no actual help. I will thank the doctors who helped me instead.
Explain to me what you believe it was that made you a devout Christian, I ask this because I do not believe I would ever refer to myself that way, I've to far to go in my relationship. I'm not sure what you mean by worthwhile, it's hard for me to understand why a pastor or others in the church couldn't answer your questions. This I can assure you it's extremely hard to do Bible study without those who can teach, God places them there for us. I can study much more on my own now because of the help those God placed in my path to help and I hope that I can be that for you. To suggest what you need to do that you "already" haven't done requires me to know what you did more specifically. Let me suggest this because I know it to be true from my own experiences, the deeper meanings of scripture is revealed only by the Holy Spirit. You can ask me any questions and I'll do my best to answer them as long as they do not get into things so personal to me I want answer. Questions about God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, questions about subjects and/or verses in the Bible, even questions about life with God or life in general. I promise there will be no made up answers, that would be cheating you and disregarding my relationship with God and neither of those would be satisfactory to me. We can keep discussions private even to the point of using e-mail if you want. It's shameful that people would treat you the way you described, I hope they misunderstood you, but then there are those who do not understand the teachings of scripture, unfortunately for you and others. They just do not understand the destruction they do. I will tell you this forgiving them is a great place to start, and believe me I know how hard that can be.
GC
In all of this, you never once told me what I should do, nor did you provide a path toward any form of truth. I'll listen, but only if you give me something of substance.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
