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Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
(July 8, 2017 at 8:24 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(July 8, 2017 at 7:15 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Where exactly is the disagreement? Didn't I state that unless one is part of the elect, it is possible to lose salvation?

Now if it's his position that the elect can lose salvation, then he must prove it by scripture.

Well, looks like we have three different options:

1)  The Elect cannot lose their salvation because, well, they are part of "the Elect".

2)  Some of the Elect can lose their salvation but get it back, and if they do, they will go to Heaven, otherwise, they will burn in Hell forever.

3)  Anyone who is not saved can be saved after spending some amount of time in Hell, which would, of course, include the Elect in #2.

I gave scripture that supports number one, where are the scriptures in support of 2 and 3?

The Bible clearly states that it is impossible for the elect to be deceived (and lose their salvation as a result).
Quote:For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. - Matthew 24:24

The Bible gives a perfect illustration of this in the example of Abraham and Lot. Abraham was elected of God while Lot was an example of a nominal Christian. When God visited Abraham and told him he was going to have a Child with Sarah, the Bible says Sarah, in the tent behind them laughed  in her heart, and when asked why she laughed, she denied it essentially calling God a liar to his face. If it had been any other person God would have killed her, but she was part of Abraham and God couldn't punish her without hurting Abraham.

In contrast, Lot being in Sodom was warned to escape and not to look back, yet his wife looks back and is killed, so essentially she was on her way to salvation and lost it...

Quote:For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, - Hebrews 10:26

So explain how you can go to hell and get out after you rejected the opportunity while you were alive?
Quote:Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. - John 8:21

If you die a sinner there is nothing left for you but judgement.
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Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Jehanne - July 6, 2017 at 7:17 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Lek - July 8, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Lek - July 8, 2017 at 6:55 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Lek - July 8, 2017 at 12:13 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Lek - July 8, 2017 at 12:39 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Lek - July 8, 2017 at 8:51 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Lek - July 8, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Lek - July 8, 2017 at 9:48 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Jehanne - July 11, 2017 at 11:43 am
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Huggy Bear - July 8, 2017 at 10:21 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Jehanne - July 11, 2017 at 10:41 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Jehanne - July 12, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Succubus - July 12, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Jehanne - July 12, 2017 at 12:24 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Silver - July 8, 2017 at 11:24 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by vorlon13 - July 11, 2017 at 10:02 am
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by vorlon13 - July 14, 2017 at 10:27 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Silver - July 15, 2017 at 11:14 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Silver - July 15, 2017 at 8:08 am
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Drich - July 24, 2017 at 2:50 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Drich - July 24, 2017 at 4:49 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Drich - July 25, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Cyberman - July 25, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by vorlon13 - July 25, 2017 at 10:44 am
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by Silver - July 25, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by brewer - July 25, 2017 at 6:37 pm
RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation? - by drfuzzy - July 26, 2017 at 10:25 am

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