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Christianity and Suicide
RE: Christianity and Suicide
(July 13, 2017 at 2:49 am)Godscreated Wrote: Yes, it is paramount. How else would one live in a relationship with God? People do not live in relationships without knowing the other one in that relationship.

Since I don't believe in this god, I can't logically accept that anyone has such a relationship.

(July 13, 2017 at 2:49 am)Godscreated Wrote: I agree that people can change their beliefs, I've changed mine within my relationship with God and it has strengthened me, especially in my knowledge of Him. I've come to a greater understanding of God and why He has saved me. 
Tell me how can someone know another then say they were not real and that they do not believe they ever existed?
In the short time we've been communicating I know you are a real person and I could never deny your existence. If I did people would tell me I was crazy. I do hear that here quite a lot because of my undying belief in God. Strange, if I denied the one I'm called crazy and if I do not deny the latter I'm crazy.

I never said I knew any god. I believed in a god. In order for this god to be known to me, he'd have to at least meet me in the middle where I was waiting for over a decade. It's easy to disbelieve in someone who never makes themselves present for you in any way.

Again, I can't logically accept that anyone knows this god. If the evidence proved otherwise to me, I'd have to change my mind. Consistently telling me that you have your own personal evidence is not going to change my mind unless you have some way of sharing that evidence with me. This is why I told you to pray instead, because this isn't going to do anything for me unless your god also cares to reach out to me.

I'm not sure how many times you want to repeat this bit to me, but I'm going to stop responding to it now.

(July 13, 2017 at 2:49 am)Godscreated Wrote: Seems to me your beliefs were not knowing but was in thinking God is real, your comments lead me to believe you decided that God's not real, so how can you have a relationship with something that's not real?  This is what I was referring to when I said it's strange how one can say they believed (having knowledge) and then they did not.

No, I never said that. Disbelief is not the same as belief in the negative view. I can't honestly say that there absolutely is no god. I just have no reason to believe in one, either. I also never made a decision to disbelieve; I stopped believing because I realized that the evidence just wasn't there no matter how hard I tried to find it. It's not a choice; it's intellectual honesty.

You seem to be hinting now that I'm somehow close-minded here, but that's not true at all. I'll happily accept something real showing up in my life. So far this specific thing has not, but it's certainly welcome here if it does exist. As I said above, I was waiting half-way with a big welcome sign hung up for all to see for over a decade. Now I'm sitting back inside without the sign, but the door is still wide open and cookies are in the oven. Why else would I be bothering with this conversation with you?

You can believe what you want about me, though. If you'd like to start writing me off, I can easily move on and make this simpler for both of us. Up to you, but I'll still be waiting here.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
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Christianity and Suicide - by Der/die AtheistIn - June 30, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - June 30, 2017 at 5:16 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 30, 2017 at 5:29 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by brewer - June 30, 2017 at 5:52 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Minimalist - June 30, 2017 at 6:34 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - June 30, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Court Jester - June 30, 2017 at 7:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 1, 2017 at 8:45 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 1, 2017 at 6:35 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 1, 2017 at 7:19 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 1, 2017 at 7:41 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 1, 2017 at 9:01 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 1, 2017 at 7:49 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 1, 2017 at 11:39 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 2, 2017 at 2:03 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Der/die AtheistIn - July 2, 2017 at 6:44 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 2, 2017 at 9:30 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 2, 2017 at 9:07 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by SteveII - July 3, 2017 at 9:53 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 1:30 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jehanne - July 5, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Brian37 - July 5, 2017 at 1:20 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jehanne - July 5, 2017 at 2:08 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Minimalist - June 30, 2017 at 7:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Anomalocaris - July 1, 2017 at 9:12 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - June 30, 2017 at 11:10 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 30, 2017 at 11:40 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 1, 2017 at 12:06 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 1, 2017 at 12:30 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 3, 2017 at 7:47 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 3, 2017 at 10:08 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 3, 2017 at 11:21 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 4, 2017 at 2:37 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 4:15 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 4, 2017 at 5:23 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 5:28 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 1, 2017 at 7:12 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 2, 2017 at 12:39 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 2, 2017 at 1:32 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 3, 2017 at 7:50 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 11:57 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 12:11 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 4, 2017 at 4:45 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 4, 2017 at 4:54 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 4, 2017 at 7:18 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 7:21 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 4, 2017 at 8:22 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 5, 2017 at 1:15 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 5, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 5, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 5, 2017 at 9:00 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 6, 2017 at 2:51 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 6, 2017 at 11:04 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 7, 2017 at 9:00 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 7, 2017 at 9:26 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 8, 2017 at 8:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 8, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 10, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 10, 2017 at 4:14 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 10, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 10, 2017 at 10:54 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 10, 2017 at 11:16 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 12, 2017 at 1:33 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 12, 2017 at 2:10 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 10, 2017 at 11:18 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Silver - July 5, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 5, 2017 at 1:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Brian37 - July 5, 2017 at 1:56 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 5, 2017 at 2:21 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 5, 2017 at 4:31 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Brian37 - July 5, 2017 at 4:43 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 5, 2017 at 4:59 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mister Agenda - July 5, 2017 at 10:30 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 5, 2017 at 10:32 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Silver - July 5, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Brian37 - July 5, 2017 at 11:40 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Minimalist - July 1, 2017 at 7:21 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by ignoramus - July 2, 2017 at 6:10 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 2, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 2, 2017 at 3:02 pm
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by ignoramus - July 4, 2017 at 4:44 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by brewer - July 4, 2017 at 7:52 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by brewer - July 4, 2017 at 11:37 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 4, 2017 at 3:45 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 2:56 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 3:06 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 3:39 pm
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 4:17 pm
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 5:22 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 5:29 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 5:46 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 5:50 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 5:59 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 6:10 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 6:26 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 4, 2017 at 7:28 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 4, 2017 at 9:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 4:54 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 6:59 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 4, 2017 at 7:40 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 7:36 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 4, 2017 at 7:52 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 4, 2017 at 7:17 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 7:47 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 8:24 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 9:42 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mister Agenda - July 5, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Brian37 - July 5, 2017 at 10:31 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Drich - July 5, 2017 at 3:22 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Der/die AtheistIn - July 6, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 5, 2017 at 7:37 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 5, 2017 at 8:10 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 7, 2017 at 9:49 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 7, 2017 at 10:45 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Minimalist - July 7, 2017 at 11:02 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 7, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 12, 2017 at 3:44 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 12, 2017 at 11:08 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 12, 2017 at 10:25 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 13, 2017 at 1:08 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 13, 2017 at 1:24 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 13, 2017 at 2:49 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 13, 2017 at 3:17 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 14, 2017 at 11:40 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 15, 2017 at 12:49 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 15, 2017 at 7:01 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 17, 2017 at 2:36 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 18, 2017 at 12:38 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 18, 2017 at 1:49 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mister Agenda - July 18, 2017 at 10:59 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 19, 2017 at 3:29 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mister Agenda - July 19, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 20, 2017 at 2:21 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jackalope - July 19, 2017 at 1:15 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 20, 2017 at 12:27 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by The Valkyrie - July 20, 2017 at 12:42 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 20, 2017 at 1:36 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Harry Nevis - July 20, 2017 at 11:53 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Harry Nevis - July 13, 2017 at 8:41 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 14, 2017 at 9:53 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 13, 2017 at 9:54 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 14, 2017 at 11:57 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 15, 2017 at 12:11 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 15, 2017 at 12:17 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 15, 2017 at 7:27 pm
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 15, 2017 at 3:53 pm
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 17, 2017 at 1:30 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 16, 2017 at 3:17 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 17, 2017 at 10:41 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 17, 2017 at 10:36 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 17, 2017 at 11:13 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 17, 2017 at 11:43 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 18, 2017 at 12:55 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 18, 2017 at 2:05 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 18, 2017 at 8:46 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jackalope - July 18, 2017 at 2:29 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Silver - July 18, 2017 at 8:48 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 18, 2017 at 9:14 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 18, 2017 at 10:53 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 19, 2017 at 3:01 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 19, 2017 at 3:19 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 19, 2017 at 11:03 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 20, 2017 at 1:34 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 20, 2017 at 1:27 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 20, 2017 at 1:36 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 20, 2017 at 1:53 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Dropship - July 21, 2017 at 11:27 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 22, 2017 at 12:53 am

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