(July 13, 2017 at 1:08 am)Godscreated Wrote:(July 12, 2017 at 11:08 am)Jesster Wrote: Again, you're fishing for an answer from me where there is none. How can I believe in the knowledge of a god if I don't believe in the god? The bible doesn't mean anything to me at this point. I don't keep one handy and I'm not about to go fishing one out now either. It's a waste of time for me because I don't believe in any of it. It's a far better use of my time while dealing with religious people to talk to them about what they believe. I have no beliefs here, so why don't you tell me yours instead so we can actually accomplish something?
This is the best I can give you here, GC. This isn't about judgement to me. It's about following a line of logic.
Okay, I want ask anymore, but I was honestly curious.
Now I do not believe a person can be a Christian and not know Christ. I use the word know in it's real sense. Belief in something is a knowledge of something, even if it is very limited knowledge. This is a must as I read the scriptures, Paul told us that we could know God and live in a relationship with Him. Now to know God and live in a relationship with Him has to mean one understands somethings about God to be true and His existence would be the first thing. So it baffles me as to how people can say they were former Christians, I can't understand how someone can know God and then say they do not believe in His existence.
GC
Because, especially in America, calling yourself christian has little or nothing to do with the bible. It's more like a club you join to have your ignorance and prejudices justified, group sympathy for being "persecuted", feeling more secure with a daddy figure looking over you, and to have a large group of people to look down on. And you don't have to give up anything but critical thinking!
But it equally baffles me how someone can claim to know god. I would think such knowledge would affect changes in behaviour for the better, but that's rarely seen.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam