(July 13, 2017 at 8:41 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:(July 13, 2017 at 1:08 am)Godscreated Wrote: Okay, I want ask anymore, but I was honestly curious.
Now I do not believe a person can be a Christian and not know Christ. I use the word know in it's real sense. Belief in something is a knowledge of something, even if it is very limited knowledge. This is a must as I read the scriptures, Paul told us that we could know God and live in a relationship with Him. Now to know God and live in a relationship with Him has to mean one understands somethings about God to be true and His existence would be the first thing. So it baffles me as to how people can say they were former Christians, I can't understand how someone can know God and then say they do not believe in His existence.
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Because, especially in America, calling yourself christian has little or nothing to do with the bible. It's more like a club you join to have your ignorance and prejudices justified, group sympathy for being "persecuted", feeling more secure with a daddy figure looking over you, and to have a large group of people to look down on. And you don't have to give up anything but critical thinking!
But it equally baffles me how someone can claim to know god. I would think such knowledge would affect changes in behaviour for the better, but that's rarely seen.
How would you know, the Bible is our instruction manual on how we should conduct ourselves in a relationship with God. For the ones like yourself it's a life line to eternity. You should try and live the life of a Christian before you criticize it. We are being attacked in this country but we are far from being persecuted. We live in a relationship with God and He does look out for us, guiding us through a spiritual life that can only be obtained through Christ. We do have critical thinking in our lives just because you disagree with us only means you lack a knowledge we have. You probably get all your info about Christians from the TV preachers and you must watch those that have wealth and good times at heart, you shouldn't let your fellow atheist know you're watching TV preachers they'll make fun of you, just as I am. To know God is the only way to grow in a relationship with Him. Change, you wouldn't wanted to meet me on a dark street if I had not come to God through Christ in salvation. You've known so many Christians before they were saved to make that judgement. You will criticize a Christian for judging yet it's just fine for you to do, that's called a double standard.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.