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I Used To Be A Fan But I Am Now Shocked, Disgusted And Appalled With Sam Harris
RE: I Used To Be A Fan But I Am Now Shocked, Disgusted And Appalled With Sam Harris
(July 12, 2017 at 5:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Hammy,

Nobody's perfect.  Even you and I.

Yeah I know. I'm certainly not perfect myself because I can't help but think that if he was in his 20s instead of his 40s he's probably be more progressive about transphobia but many would say I'm being ageist by sterotyping like that Tongue

But I think there are a reason why stereotypes exist and saying that on average the younger generation is statistically more progressive about these things than the older generation is different to saying something like "older generations are backward" or something like that. That would be ageist.

A bit like it's not racist for me to say that the fact a lot of the fastest runners and best boxers are African American isn't a coincidence because races do have physical genetic differences and competences even though mentally intelligence levels between races is the same.

But if I said "Black people after faster and stronger than white people" that would be racist Tongue

And, another example is, on average asian races are more (physically) sensitive to alcohol and more likely to be lactose intolerant... it's not racist to talk about that statistical average if it's based on evidence. But saying "Asians are pussies with alcohol and they can't even drink milk" would be massively racist.

Just like saying that "on average transwomen are physically stronger than ciswomen because before they have transitioned they have the physical strength of a cisman and even after they have transitioned they still have some remnants of it... and on average cismen are physically stronger than ciswomen" is not transphobic or sexist... but saying "Transwomen are way too strong for sports they're like man strength so they can't even be real women they're like as strong as men which is much stronger than women because women are weak and should stick to girl stuff." would be very sexist and transphobic.

So basically, there's a difference between stereotyping and statistical averages.

And I do think there's a high probability that if Sam Harris was in his 20s or simply hung around with more people of the younger generation he'd be less likely to be so ignorant of transgender issues... and it's simply because transgender issues are being fully understood more recently and more recently=since the younger generation has become adult.

Of course there are plenty of progressive older people and narrow minded younger people, and the fact I recognize that and am merely talking about statistics and probabilites and wondering about it... that's what makes the difference.

And of course amongst the younger generation there is a lot of the SJW stuff mixed in with the actually progressive people who genuinely care... and there will be SJW transgenders too. But it's one thing to talk about SJWs and people who take it too far both cis people and trans people.... but it's another to suggest that they're all SJWs and that it's "going too far" to fucking understand transgender issues. The fact that transpeople's issues are so disrespected and dismissed that esteemed public intellectuals can call transwomen "men with penises" and make ridiculous assumpions like "You have to be attracted to them otherwise it's transphobic" which is utter bullshit and based on nothing (What is he basing that on? He's (Murray is) making that shit up. And referring to the entire community as "they" and lumping them all together is disgusting and the very essence of bigotry).... but anyway the fact that esteemed public intellectuals can call transwomen "men with penises" and think that's perfectly fine while another public intellectual (Sam Harris) laughs along and doesn't even bother to point out how bigoted his friend is being... just shows exactly WHY it IS a big issue and not a small issue (it's not like transphobia is extremely rare and almost always taken seriously. It's very common and rarely taken seriously, hell it's not even being taken seriously by esteemed public intellectuals)... this is WHY consciousness raising needs to happen. A LOT of consciousness raising in fact. Because the message is falling on so many deaf ears that even Sam motherfucking Harris (who is usually very smart) is being a bigoted idiot fuckface.

But yeah he is very smart on many issues and I do agree with him with most things but there are a few things I strongly disagree with him on (and in this case I am disgusted with him).... but yeah I've got over the emotion a little because I just think his mind needs opening and at least with Sam Harris I do feel it is capable of opening. He really needs educating and when he finally understands he needs to apologize for his harmful ignorance and complicity.

I wouldn't say I don't like him anymore, I like him for most things but I am facepalming so hard at his bigoted ignorance here. Sigh. I agree with him on enough things that a sample of him in one of my songs now Tongue



But someone here who really is an utter fucking cretin and an unforgivable right-wing bigoted disgusting fuckhead... is Douglas Murray. And the fact he's Sam Harris' "friend" is one of the things that disturbs me the most.

But the reason why I am not insanely disgusted with Sam Harris for liking Murray is because maybe Harris is a bit like I used to be: Someone who is willing to keep the peace with and get around with anyone non-abusive. Like even racists and all sorts. I used to try to be everyone's friend as long as they didn't abuse or hurt me. Nowadays I'm a lot more selective. I tired to befriend everyone in the past.  But fuck that.

(June 6, 2017 at 3:59 pm)alpha male Wrote:
(May 27, 2017 at 2:07 pm)Hammy Wrote: I am shocked, appaled and highly surprised at the myopic views Sam Harris has on gender.

Why, does he think something crazy, like there's two genders, or something?

Yes.

There's two biological sexes but there's scientific evidence that transgenderism is a real biological thing. There are biological men born with the physical brain of a woman and vice-versa. It's a real thing. There's a legitimate biological basis for why something like feeling like a woman trapped in a man's body happens. Because that's exactly what's going on biologically: A transwoman is often a woman with a cisman's body (and vice-versa).

You are an ignorant bigoted fuckface, and so is Paupablo for kudosing your post here. But that's not news to me Tongue I suspected as much Tongue
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RE: I Used To Be A Fan But I Am Now Shocked, Disgusted And Appalled With Sam Harris - by Edwardo Piet - July 15, 2017 at 7:47 am

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