RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 19, 2017 at 11:14 am
(July 19, 2017 at 10:18 am)Little Rik Wrote:(July 18, 2017 at 11:10 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: I am very open to starting a relationship with any god that gives me evidence for it's existence, and I have stated this out loud and in my heart for any of them to hear. I'm still waiting to hear back from them
You just remind me about a butcher that was saying the same thing while cutting the meat.
A lot of people just don't get it.
To establish a relationship with God you need first to clean body and mind so to build a parallelism with God
way of thinking.
You can also be a butcher, a carnivorous, a drinker, a drug user, a gambler, a sinner, a criminal, a materialist, an atheist but it will be a lot lot harder because you put obstacles between you and Him.
Once however you remove all or many obstacles everything become so so easy.
Try to believe.
Quote:And yes, if god has a physical effect on our world it will leave behind physical evidence.
Your existence is the physical evidence.
The universe is the physical evidence but to understand all this you need to expand your consciousness.
That is what yoga is all about.
It is to understand who you are.
Om........I AM HIM.
I know all this sound crazy to you but this is how it works.
There is a sound in the whole universe but not everybody is able to hear that unless their consciousness is developed enough.
You however can hear a bit if you try.
Close your eyes and concentrate within.
Quote:We've already explained to you that near death experiences are not proper evidence as they cannot be verified.
Yes they can Ink.
http://www.near-death.com/science/eviden...e-obe.html
Quote:I don't know what country you're from, but here in America you can't do that. I cannot just walk into a hospital and demand a random person's medical records, they will not give them to me.
Records are kept however.
Quote:No, I said it seemed that some historians said he was real (in my second post). And none of them witnessed his life or death. They recorded things about him long after he had died. So do you have records written by Pontius Pilate around the date Jesus died detailing the events? And the four gospels are a part of literally every Bible... (Also, this is what I meant by the language barrier screwing us up. I never used the word "witness").
Nobody alive today witness Caesar cross the Rubicon or the Mongols invade other lands or the Viking go around half world killing and raping.
Does that means that it never happen?
Oh, yes that happen but in Jesus case it never happen.
Is that so Ink?![]()
Quote:Do you get money for arguing with me? Does anyone here get money for it? Do fanfiction writers get money for their work? I don't get money for my drawings but I still produce them. You don't have to get money to make something worthwhile. Some people are trolls, some people want to screw with a site like that to make it more likely someone will join their religion, some people are like me trying to prove a point. And while medical records are not completely private, there is no evidence I see that this site has the rights to get them. Especially when they never ask you what hospital you were treated in.
There is no need to check the hospital Ink.
All you have to do is to see the parallelism between your story and thousand of other NDEs stories.
Let us see some similarity.
1) 99% of people who had an NDE hate to come back into their bodies considering the beauty of the outside dimension and the hard reality of this earthly dimension.
2) Most of these people turn to spirituality regardless their previous beliefs.
3) Most of these people turn to vegetarianism unless they were already.
4) Most of these people turn their previous materialism into a simple life dedicated to help others and if they already did that they will improve even more their dedication.
No more interested into earthly pleasures.
5) All of them realize that a supreme being is in charge 24/7.
6) All of them realize that spiritual love is what count most of all.
7) All of them wish to go back in that dimension ASAP.
Quote:I never said they were imbeciles, I said they make mistakes, like everyone else. You make a lot of mistakes (like this one here), but that doesn't mean you are a complete moron.
Sure, doctors make mistakes but eh, isn't strange that they do mistakes regularly in case of an NDE?
I guess you never thought about that Ink, did you?![]()
Quote:Yep, I got it. They operate on an assumed position that Hell does not exist, and so throw out any story claiming it does without even attempting to verify if it actually happened. I hope you realize this just makes the site look even worse than it already did. That is absolutely not a scientific way of doing things.
Once you got 99% of people that experience God as the most loving being and they see that there is no hell
anywhere because mistakes get clean through reincarnation why should they believe that there is hell?
Quote:EDIT: Ok, I'm an idiot who doesn't know how to format quotes...
Not to worry Ink.
You put up with my bad English and I put up with your atrocious quoting.![]()
Look. You can quote your websites all you want, but none of them are scientific publications. Find me some scientific publications on NDEs and then we can talk. Until then, you are just throwing out assertion after assertion with no evidence to back them up. My existence doesn't tell me why I exist or what made me exist, it is only evidence that I do exist. Show me where you are getting your information about god from, because it looks like you are just pulling it out of your ass and expecting me to take your word for it. I'm not going to do that.
As for Caesar, you are still completely missing the point. No one "had to be there". We have writings from several people who were actually with him, and writings from the time of the actual event. The writings about Jesus are all written decades after he lived and died. Not even the gospels are written during the time he was alive. That's suspicious.
Being careful is for people who can't handle surprises.