Christianity and Suicide

[Mister Agenda]

Someone putting you on ignore has nothing to do with keeping God away. God or no God, you're not him, not equivalent to him, and not his personal representative on earth. Passive aggressive much?

Jesster understood what I was saying and that's all that matters since this was meant for Jesster. Oh yes, I'm a representative of God on earth, Paul taught this in his writings.
Why do you think God gave us ways to live by, to make life harder for us, not hardly.

GC

So when you speak, you're speaking for God. Gotcha. I'd think the omniscient all-powerful creator of the universe would make his personal representatives seem less petty.

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Okay consider it a question, where did the material come from? It was never meant to throw the conversation off track, it was intended to show you that certain secular claims are not provable yet widely accepted as fact.

GC

Any claim that doesn't have to do with theology is by default a secular claim. That doesn't mean it's our claim.

This one is and you know it.

Arrogant much? The origin of the universe is necessarily speculative at this point given current available evidence. The most any explanation can have going for it is math that works and conformity with what we already know. Any specific explanation for the universe is not a scientific fact, and anyone who claims it is, is mistaken. Of course, my not knowing exactly how the universe began does not add an atom's weight to your claim about how the universe began. My ignorance is not evidence of your correctness. See 'argument from ignorance'. You might also want to learn the difference between a hypothesis and a fact.

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Here's something provable: if we haven't the slightest notion of where the material came for, it doesn't make you explanation a single atom's worth of additional weight. It's an argument from ignorance, like saying that if we don't know what happens to all the people who disappear every year, we have to take the theory that they're being abducted by aliens more seriously. We don't. If it's not known, it's not known, full stop. Any hypothesis for an explanation will have to overcome the null hypothesis of 'no, that isn't it'.

Just because you do not believe in God that doesn't make my statement invalid and it gives an explanation of how the universe started. You have no beginning, other than it was just there, stuff of fairy tales. No one has ever shown how life can self generate from chemicals, evolution has major problems at every turn, there is no evidence of how anything gets started with evolution.

You are quite right that it is not me being an atheist that makes your statement invalid. The Hopi Indians have an explanation for how the universe started too, and they also avoid all that nasty scientific stuff. Do you think the Hopi story is supported by lack of a way to confirm the several scientific hypotheses on the universe's origin? If not, does that lack of consistency trouble you in any way?

If I understood evolution as badly as you do, I wouldn't believe it either.

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A bit of difference with God, He has always been, never created. Don't ask me how that is possible because I can only say I can't even imagine how that's possible, most likely not understandable by man anyway.

GC

And you know that's true because God told you.

Yes, God doesn't lie he's proven this to me.[/quote]

And your intellect is so vast that you couldn't possibly misinterpret what the being you're taking to with your mind is telling you, and so vast that it's capable of evaluating the truthfulness of the entity you're mentally contacting forever, past and future. Yet this being never tells you anything that would impress anyone scrutinizing your claims here, like telling you what the headline of the New York Times on August 26, 2017 is going to be today. That sure would be a head-scratcher, but the voice you're hearing leaves you without effective ammunition.

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'When you believe in things you don't understand,
Then you suffer,
Superstition ain't the way.

 You have nothing because you have no first cause of the start of the universe nor life itself.

GC

Honest ignorance is an infinitely superior moral position to just-so stories. And please, for the sake of being a good representative of the deity in which you believe; learn why the argument from ignorance is fallacious.