(July 20, 2017 at 3:45 am)Godscreated Wrote:(July 19, 2017 at 11:25 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
It's very frustrating to present an argument to someone who can't comprehend it. You got it exactly backwards. The theists are the ones trying to establish that a claim about the existence of something is true, they're the prosecution (trying to establish that something happened and who did it); the defense is pointing out that they've failed to adequately establish their case, they're the atheists. No one would even know they're an atheist if they hadn't heard that someone was claiming some sort of deity exists. The burden of proof doesn't shift so fluidly, it's not just a matter of who said it first, it's what they're really claiming. The person who said it could have corrected me, and said no, no, Mister Agenda, I meant there's absolutely no chance God is real and wasn't just speaking shorthand for 'the existence of God has not been established sufficiently to justify rational belief in it, in my humble opinion'. I was able to pick up on what was actually meant, and you were not, yet you think I'm less discerning on the matter than you are. What was it I said about people who are full of themselves?
Atheist are always telling Christians they have to defend their claims. I know what you were trying to say but you were the one turning the argument around to fit your belief.
God hasn't ever tried to justify His existence not even in His word and I only witness to what I believe.
GC
You have made the positive claim that you know god exists several times now. And yet you still have never backed that claim up with actual evidence. When we tell you we cannot accept your claim without evidence, you immediately demand that we provide evidence for our position. It's very hypocritical of you to demand we provide evidence when you can't. It's obvious that you don't have it and are just avoiding the question.
Being careful is for people who can't handle surprises.
