(July 19, 2017 at 6:31 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(July 19, 2017 at 3:49 am)Godscreated Wrote: This was to reference that John was a representative of who Elijah was.
Not according to Jesus. In Matthew 11:14 Jesus says J.B. is the Elijah. Not representative, but Elijah himself and yet in John 1:21 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”
But I guess you know more then Jesus.
In Matthew 11:14 Jesus doesn't say John the Baptist is Elijah. Malachi prophesied that Elijah would lead the way of the Lord, 3rd chapter of Malachi. Malachi was not saying that Elijah himself would be born as John, he was saying John as a prophet would be like Elijah as a prophet. Luke 1:14 says, this is the angel speaking to Zechariah about his son John, "And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth, 15 for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, Even from his mother's womb. 16 And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God, and he (John) will go before him (Jesus) in the spirit and power of Elijah,..... The angel foretells this before the birth of John. Then in the 1st chapter of John we are told, verse 19, And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priest and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, 20)Who are you? He confessed and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ." 21) And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, " I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered them, "No." 22) "Who are you? We need to give an answer to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?" He said, "I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, 'Make straight the way of the Lord,' as the prophet Isaiah said." Malachi tells us of this same man, Malachi 4:6 And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and hearts of the children to their fathers,.....
Jesus said, 14) and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come,... Jesus was speaking of the prophesies of the OT that said John as a prophet would be like Elijah as a prophet.
(July 19, 2017 at 3:49 am)Godscreated Wrote: Christ is the one shepherd and the worlds Christians are His one flock.
FM Wrote:Oh, too bad no one told this to Catholics and Protestants in Ireland they might stop killing each other over "right" Jesus. For sure then the massacre in Greysteel, at Halloween 1993 could have been avoided when Protestants bursted into a Catholic pub, shouted "trick or treat," and opened fire, killing 8 and wounding 13. Or all over Christian history where millions of people were killed by Christians because they were "wrong" Christians like the Cathari and the Waldensians with pope's famous blessing "Kill them all; God will know his own." and all those Catholic-Protestant wars, just the Thirty Years War in the 1600s, killed half the population of Germany. So this is one blatant lie you're telling.
It's not Jesus fault that man wanted to run the church and that the Catholics wanted to eliminate the protestants because they were taking money and power from the Catolic church. What man does in the name of the Lord doesn't make their deeds right and in Ireland we have this very thing. Killings that Jesus did not tell them to do, as you said it was by order of the Pope, a man and nothing more. So my statement isn't a lie.
John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me." Jesus says His flock follows Him and hears His voice. Jesus did not kill His enemies when He was here on earth, nor did He preach to do such. Actually Jesus preach for us to love our enemies and give them their needs, doesn't sound at all like what went on in Europe now does it.
John 10:16 (Jesus speaking) "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd."
(July 19, 2017 at 3:49 am)Godscreated Wrote: When one is an eternal being 2000 years is less than a second.
FM Wrote:Or maybe just a desperate to delude yourself in order to believe that Jesus was legit god. Like I told you he made many false prophecies like being in Earth for 3 days and nights and yet he did not. Or lying his ass off to the thief that tomorrow he will be with him in paradise when he is supposed to be in ground. I mean this is not just an ordinary Jesus lie like when he said that mustard seed is the smallest one in the world, but he is actually lying to the dying man, giving him false hopes. How much lower can you get from that.
Jesus is God and you've given the verse that says so, no wonder you're the false messiah, you know nothing. Jesus was speaking about the spirit, His and the man's, their bodies were in the ground. the mustard seed was the smallest used to grow garden plants during that time and it worked as a great metaphor for the spiritual life. The man on the cross is in heaven waiting to be reunited with his new body.
FM Wrote:Even Jesus himself he is a cheat. In Mark he simply asks 10:18. "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God." Here we have a clear-cut statement by Jesus that his character is flawed and that he is not to be considered the model of propriety. We have it from his own mouth. What more could one want?
So no wonder he lies, like to the thief on the cross, or to the anyone around him like in John 7:8-10 he told some people to go to a feast and that he would not be going. The text states that he later went up, not in public, but in private. Or when he "predicted" in Matthew 17:12-13 that he will die in the same manner John the Baptist was killed. Needles to say one was beheaded in prison while the other one crucified.
Mark 10:18 is the verse I referred to in the bold above, you use it completely out of context calling Jesus a cheat. "Why do you call me good? Jesus asked him why he thought He was good, he was not saying He wasn't good. then Jesus says, No one is good except God alone." Jesus was trying to get the young man to understand He was God and had the power to see the future and to ask him to give up all his possessions. Jesus knew the young man would not sale his possessions and was able to teach the disciples about the devotion it takes to follow Him. Again it's no wonder you're called the false messiah.
John 7:8-10, There is a reason that Jesus told them He wasn't going, to protect them and stop the people from trying to kill Him. Jesus went incognito, so He wouldn't be recognized and show us the mode of the people. They asked the disciples where Jesus was and the could say He is in Galilee. How is this determination possible, by one simple statement Jesus made to His disciples when He sent them to the feast, "my time has not yet fully come." Jesus ministry was young and it was not time for Him to be killed.
Matthew 17:12-13, Jesus did not say that He would die the exact death John the Baptist died, He said that He also would die at the hands of the Jews. you must be looking this up on a site dedicated to making you look foolish, they are no better than you false messiahs. The scriptures say in the last days there will be many false messiahs, you should be ......., there's bad things reserved for false messiahs.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.