(July 24, 2017 at 3:00 pm)JackRussell Wrote:(July 24, 2017 at 2:50 pm)Drich Wrote: IF you want to know what the bible says... Salvation is always pointed to as a future event till the time of judgement. through out everything Jesus taught and even throughout the epistles "you will be saved, those who have faith shall be saved, Jesus will save those who... It's not till we get to the book of revelation and out final judgement that salvation happened. Meaning we are saved from judgement/God's wrath. So in essence there is nothing in this life to be saved from. Christians (i've always said this) are no different than anyone else while we are alve. Matter of fact we do not have the right to identify as saved not saved exct, as only Jesus can make that determination. Which will be made upon judgement. In the first century we seem to know this but late (self righteousness) had us step into the role of salvation elevating us above our sinful brothers unrightfully. Why? because As Jesus points out in MAt 5 only He gets to determine who is and is not Christian. Christ is not a respector of the titles we give ourselves.
That said I have always said there will be far more Muslim, gays, deists, and far fewer 'christians' in heaven than what most people think. Because again Christ decideds who is saved and who is not. not blind tradition and ceremony.
Yeah,and you have the inside track.
Let me know how you're sure you're not just talking to yourself.
I hace A/S/K'd, silence.
Your manual fixes a different motor, the one you own and nobody else wants, the insurance is too high and the monthly payments don't add up.
You are just a salesman with an unwanted product. The market decides.
A/S/K can never be used in the 'pastense' and have one 'done it right.'
You can ask
You can seek both in past tense but one can not knock 'pastence' and say he did it according to luke 11.
Why?
Because it's a process. Asking seeking has one build a house of faith, knocking has God test that faith. (Send the wind and rain to test the house and it's foundation) if you are not building the house of faith on the God/Rock/truth of who God is, your faith will fall as there are no other God's to help you.
Eventually if keep knocking what you have built/understand will have be proven true, and God will send the winds and rain that part of your belief system will be held true. and if you keep building more and more of what you understand will be proved to be true. Till one day IF God stood in front of you, you would be able to recognize Him.
That is the only reason you do not see God now. you have no idea what to look for, and when you do find Him you dismiss Him.
