(August 7, 2017 at 8:56 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:(August 5, 2017 at 11:46 pm)pabsta Wrote: All I keep seeing is responses saying, "Nope, it didn't happen", with nothing else solid to back why you are denying it. You cannot say it didn't happen because it appeared in at least 2 newspapers the following day, and these were anti-religious newspapers. Here is the English translations of the text from each of the newspapers. Something VERY significant happened right where and when the lady and the children said:
After the miracle, the anti-religious newspaper, Diario de Noticias reported:
“At one o’clock the rain stopped. The sky had a certain gray clarity but seemed to suddenly be getting darker. The sun seemed veiled in gauze. We could look at it without strain. The gray tint of mother-of-pearl began changing as if into a silver disc that was growing and growing... until it broke the clouds! Then the silvery sun, still shrouded in that grayish light, began to rotate and wander within the circle of the receded clouds!
“The people cried out with one voice. Thousands, transported by ecstasy fell to their knees upon the muddy ground. Then, as if it were shining through the stained glass windows of a great cathedral, the light became a rare blue, spreading its rays upon the nave... Slowly the blue faded away and now the light seemed to be filtered through yellow. Yellow spots were falling now upon the white kerchiefs and dark shirts of coarse wool. They were spots which repeated themselves indefinitely over the landscape. All the people were weeping and praying bareheaded, weighted down by the greatness of the miracle. These were seconds, moments, that seemed hours...”
O Século, the other skeptical newspaper added:
“From beside the parked carriages and where many thousands stood, afraid to descend into the muddy soil of the Cova da Iria, we saw the immense crowd turn toward the sun at its highest, free of all clouds. The sun seemed to us like a plate of dull silver. It could be seen without the least effort. It did not blind or burn. It seemed as though an eclipse were taking place. All of a sudden a tremendous shout burst forth, ‘Miracle, miracle!’
“Before the astonished eyes of the people, whose attitude carried us back to Biblical times, and who, white with terror, heads uncovered, gazed at the sun which trembled and made brusque and unheard of movement beyond all cosmic laws, the sun seemed literally to dance in the sky.
“Immediately afterward the people asked each other if they saw anything and what they had seen. The greatest number avowed that they saw the sun trembling and dancing; others declared they saw the smiling face of the Blessed Virgin herself. They swore that the sun turned around on itself as if it were a wheel of fireworks and had fallen almost to the point of burning the earth with its rays. Some said they saw it change colors successively.”
Anti-religious newspaper?! Riiiight.
Didn't spot this one first time around, Diário de Notícias if you look it up on Wikipedia, was a mouthpiece of the fascist dictatorship and it's predecessor business, church and military interesta until the Carnation Revolution. As such calling it "anti-religious" when it consistently and lyingly supported the catlick church is really really low.
The second quote when googled doesn't point to the paper O Século at all but a book called "fatima, a message more urgent than ever" which attributes the quote to the newspaper without citation. Now the quote does likely come from the newspaper and Avelino de Almeida who wrote for O Século about the alleged miracle. But he didn't write anything about the event itself just peoples' impressions and reactions to what they thought they saw.
So thanks to Harry I see now the duplicity and mendacity of pabsta, who is willing to lie repeatedly in order to show his very slim case in a better light.
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