RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
August 7, 2017 at 2:59 pm
(This post was last modified: August 7, 2017 at 3:09 pm by Harry Nevis.)
(August 7, 2017 at 2:38 pm)pabsta Wrote:Sure it's looking at it through a theistic lens. The sun couldn't have acted that way without the solar system breaking apart. So, if a supernatural being didn't prevent this, how did it not happen?(August 6, 2017 at 11:12 pm)Kernel Sohcahtoa Wrote: I don’t think it is a refusal to believe; rather, IMO, it is more like wanting to think freely and openly. IMO, for some people who choose not to interpret reality through a theistic lens, an important question to ask, especially as it pertains to miracles, is whether belief is a necessary pre-condition in order to observe these miracles. In other words, can people of all particular mindsets objectively arrive at the truth of these miracles via methods that do not rely on any pre-existing biases? Thus, is it possible to verify a particular religious truth via an approach that is independent/outside of that particular belief system or religion/theism in general?
The event we are discussing has NOTHING to do with looking at something "through a theistic lens". It has to do with the sun doing something that it has never been seen to do before or since, and a human being predicting the exact time and location months ahead of time. That, in itself, has nothing to do with religion. The antireligious newspapers the following day agreed it happened. Thousands of eyewitnesses agreed it happened. So far, again, this has nothing to do with religion. It's the cowardly atheist who looks at all of this, notices that the conclusion shows the event can only be of supernatural origin, and then simply shakes his head and dismisses it all because "he won't go there". Cowardly is all I can say.
(August 7, 2017 at 2:18 pm)pabsta Wrote: What a lame argument. I can't believe you are trying to equate alien sightings to Fatima. Alien sighting testimonials are ONE person at a time - they are very easy to dismiss because the person may not be mentally stable, may be lying, may be paid etc. You cannot say that about THOUSANDS of witnesses at Fatima all at once, most who did not know each other, and many who had different religious beliefs. C'mon now.
They all came there to see the miracle. They decided it was real before they got there. And who, in the middle of a crowd of people proclaiming a miracle, wouldn't be hesitant to disagree? Just like them, you WANT it to be true.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam