(August 7, 2017 at 11:58 pm)pabsta Wrote: Okay, let's say for sake of argument that the people were all wrong and that the sun did NOT spin and did NOT hurl towards the earth. If we look at all the testimonials, this is what they perceived, and is the best way they chose to describe it. But let's say their description was wrong. SOMETHING obviously happened and that SOMETHING was obviously very significant or they would not have all agreed that their clothes dried instantly, nor would they have agreed that they thought it was the end of the world and that they were going to die. Nor would the newspapers have printed anything the following day.
Picture a stadium full of 70,000 people. Can you think of a way that you could freak all of them out at once and make them think it's the end of the world? I can't. So whatever it was that happened that day, it was obviously HUGE. Most people wouldn't want to admit they thought it was the end of the world, and that they were on their knees crying like a baby because they were so scared, but these people admitted that. Something HUGE freaked them all out in an instant, and whatever it was it was predicted 3 months earlier by 3 children who said a lady told them it would happen. No one would have been there to see the incident if it hadn't been for the 3 children. THIS much cannot be denied.
If the Sun danced, then why did nobody else in the country see it? Or anybody else in anywhere else in the world where it was day time? Why only those people in that one spot? Seems kind of odd to me that only those '70,000' people (the actual number there is likely exaggerated) would see the sun dancing. If you were 200 miles away, you should still be able to see it. Because that's the thing about the sun. You can see it pretty much everywhere. And why is it not in the astrological record?
But you won't address this, because you can't.
Nor can you address the fact that around half of the people there said they saw nothing, and some had differing accounts of what happened. Not to mention that it's not very miraculous in the first place. (oh look! the sun is dancing. I'm sure this'll end world hunger/cause world peace/etc..")
What happened that day? A bunch of people went to a place, expecting to see something. Some probably saw something from the power of suggestion (and perhaps from staring at the sun too long..). I can't say for certain what happened, because I wasn't there. Nobody here was. There's no pictures of the event taking place. There's certainly no video. We can only go by eyewitness accounts, which are at best hazy. Remember that many people came from all over to see this event, so they were expecting to see something, though. They were already believers. (A lot of good this 'miracle' did, convincing people who already believed that what they believe is true). So they were susceptible to suggestion.
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