(August 7, 2017 at 11:58 pm)pabsta Wrote: Okay, let's say for sake of argument that the people were all wrong and that the sun did NOT spin and did NOT hurl towards the earth. If we look at all the testimonials, this is what they perceived, and is the best way they chose to describe it. But let's say their description was wrong. SOMETHING obviously happened and that SOMETHING was obviously very significant or they would not have all agreed that their clothes dried instantly, nor would they have agreed that they thought it was the end of the world and that they were going to die. Nor would the newspapers have printed anything the following day.
It's not even for the sake of argument. We can say with complete confidence that, whatever else may have been going on, the Sun cannot possibly have performed as described. To insist that the story must be true and then try to manipulate everything else around it to fit is not only putting the cart before the horse, it's eliminating literally every other avenue of investigation; and for stupid reasons of dogma.
Put simply: there's all the difference in the world between "the Sun really danced around - you can't explain it, therefore miracle" and "something seems to have happened - let's find out what".
(August 7, 2017 at 11:58 pm)pabsta Wrote: Picture a stadium full of 70,000 people. Can you think of a way that you could freak all of them out at once and make them think it's the end of the world? I can't.
Nobody is responsible for your failure of imagination but you.
(August 7, 2017 at 11:58 pm)pabsta Wrote: No one would have been there to see the incident if it hadn't been for the 3 children. THIS much cannot be denied.
And in the shit film Evan Almighty, no-one would have been there to need saving from a burst dam if it hadn't been for Morgan Freeman forcing Steve Carell into a Ken Ham impression. THIS much cannot be denied. Obviously something must have happened for hundreds of people to gather in one spot.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'