(August 7, 2017 at 8:48 pm)pabsta Wrote:(August 7, 2017 at 7:06 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: As for the claims the newspapers were anti religious you have yet to provide evidence of this . And we have evidence to the contrary that they were pro religious . The claim that people saw it remotely is debunked by the fact that none saw the actual event of the sun dancing . And people who were in the immediate area didn't see anything. And all mr wizard said.
To answer your question, I just skimmed through chapters 3 and 4 in "Meet the Witnesses", and the author explains that a Marxist group of revolutionaries had taken the country by force in 1910, so at the time of the miracle in 1917, they were in complete power and had control over the media. In the years that followed the miracle, there were 3 primary newspapers that continually made fun of the miracle. The revolutionaries publicly vowed to remove all religion from the country within 2 generations and there was much bloodshed in the years that followed the miracle. Yet the crowds continued to grow at the site of the miracle throughout the 1920s, once recorded at 400,000 in 1926. What wound up happening is, even some of the revolutionaries were convinced of the miracle, and it eventually led the whole revolution to fail.
The book also speaks of multiple atheists who came to make fun of the miracle and were immediate believers. The book also mentions that from what the author could gather, that the miracle was visible within 600 square miles. There is just too much to relating these short posts. I would suggest getting a copy of the book.
Cath-y has made me forget catholics can be evangelists too. Did you by any chance go to catholic apologist school with a guy named Randy?
Pabst, why are you so sure there must be supernatural things or occurences? How do you even define "supernatural". After all no one directly witnesses anything supernatural. All we can do is infer it. It only comes up at all when our ability to explain a sequence of events in terms of known natural causes falls short. But our failure to understand anything's natural causes can be the result of our own ignorance individually or that of the culture we live in. So why jump to the conclusion that there are any categorical phenomenon which exist entirely apart from everything else we know that can never be resolved into a more comprehensive natural explanation? The 'supernatural' can never be more than a wild hunch. The more important question is why you've fallen prey to such a thing.