(August 8, 2017 at 8:52 am)Whateverist Wrote:(August 7, 2017 at 8:48 pm)pabsta Wrote: To answer your question, I just skimmed through chapters 3 and 4 in "Meet the Witnesses", and the author explains that a Marxist group of revolutionaries had taken the country by force in 1910, so at the time of the miracle in 1917, they were in complete power and had control over the media. In the years that followed the miracle, there were 3 primary newspapers that continually made fun of the miracle. The revolutionaries publicly vowed to remove all religion from the country within 2 generations and there was much bloodshed in the years that followed the miracle. Yet the crowds continued to grow at the site of the miracle throughout the 1920s, once recorded at 400,000 in 1926. What wound up happening is, even some of the revolutionaries were convinced of the miracle, and it eventually led the whole revolution to fail.
The book also speaks of multiple atheists who came to make fun of the miracle and were immediate believers. The book also mentions that from what the author could gather, that the miracle was visible within 600 square miles. There is just too much to relating these short posts. I would suggest getting a copy of the book.
Cath-y has made me forget catholics can be evangelists too. Did you by any chance go to catholic apologist school with a guy named Randy?
Pabst, why are you so sure there must be supernatural things or occurences? How do you even define "supernatural". After all no one directly witnesses anything supernatural. All we can do is infer it. It only comes up at all when our ability to explain a sequence of events in terms of known natural causes falls short. But our failure to understand anything's natural causes can be the result of our own ignorance individually or that of the culture we live in. So why jump to the conclusion that there are any categorical phenomenon which exist entirely apart from everything else we know that can never be resolved into a more comprehensive natural explanation? The 'supernatural' can never be more than a wild hunch. The more important question is why you've fallen prey to such a thing.
I am so sure about the existence of the supernatural because I've personally known many people throughout my entire life who have been directly involved in the paranormal, either helping others with the problem, or experiencing it directly. You look at the fear in their eyes and their fear of even talking about some of it and you know it's no joke. I wouldn't say it's common, but it is nevertheless real.
A quick example. My father-in-law was a real estate agent for 30 years. Only once in his entire career did he come across the supernatural. He had just sold a condo to a family, and suddenly he heard they had abandoned the house and their belongings and were suing him. Come to find out the condo was completely haunted, stuff flying all over the rooms, something biting the children's toes in the middle of the night, stuff going on in the attic, the whole deal as is seen on episodes of, "A Haunting". This kind of problem has happened enough over the years where there is an actual law in real estate stating that the real estate broker MUST let the buyer know if the house is haunted. This family was suing my father-in-law claiming he broke this law. Long story short, the problem in the house was very difficult to eradicate, and it became very well known in the area. It took a Catholic priest to eventually fix the problem.
Again, if I were you, I would get in touch with either a paranormal investigator, a Catholic priest, or both, and volunteer your time helping on calls. If you don't have the time, only have them call you for serious cases. You will find out very quickly about the existence of the supernatural. Don't forget to bring an extra pair of shorts.