RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
August 8, 2017 at 2:47 pm
(This post was last modified: August 8, 2017 at 2:48 pm by Simon Moon.)
(August 8, 2017 at 2:03 pm)pabsta Wrote:(August 8, 2017 at 8:52 am)Whateverist Wrote: Cath-y has made me forget catholics can be evangelists too. Did you by any chance go to catholic apologist school with a guy named Randy?
Pabst, why are you so sure there must be supernatural things or occurences? How do you even define "supernatural". After all no one directly witnesses anything supernatural. All we can do is infer it. It only comes up at all when our ability to explain a sequence of events in terms of known natural causes falls short. But our failure to understand anything's natural causes can be the result of our own ignorance individually or that of the culture we live in. So why jump to the conclusion that there are any categorical phenomenon which exist entirely apart from everything else we know that can never be resolved into a more comprehensive natural explanation? The 'supernatural' can never be more than a wild hunch. The more important question is why you've fallen prey to such a thing.
I am so sure about the existence of the supernatural because I've personally known many people throughout my entire life who have been directly involved in the paranormal, either helping others with the problem, or experiencing it directly. You look at the fear in their eyes and their fear of even talking about some of it and you know it's no joke. I wouldn't say it's common, but it is nevertheless real.
A quick example. My father-in-law was a real estate agent for 30 years. Only once in his entire career did he come across the supernatural. He had just sold a condo to a family, and suddenly he heard they had abandoned the house and their belongings and were suing him. Come to find out the condo was completely haunted, stuff flying all over the rooms, something biting the children's toes in the middle of the night, stuff going on in the attic, the whole deal as is seen on episodes of, "A Haunting". This kind of problem has happened enough over the years where there is an actual law in real estate stating that the real estate broker MUST let the buyer know if the house is haunted. This family was suing my father-in-law claiming he broke this law. Long story short, the problem in the house was very difficult to eradicate, and it became very well known in the area. It took a Catholic priest to eventually fix the problem.
Again, if I were you, I would get in touch with either a paranormal investigator, a Catholic priest, or both, and volunteer your time helping on calls. If you don't have the time, only have them call you for serious cases. You will find out very quickly about the existence of the supernatural. Don't forget to bring an extra pair of shorts.
And thousands of people claim to have had experiences with: bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, Chupa Cabra, UFO's and abductions, crystal healing, remote viewing, fairies, Jinn, etc, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
Most of them are sincerely and honestly reporting events and experiences they believe they had. Many such experiences have multiple witnesses.
Do you believe them? If not, why is their personal experiences not convincing to you?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.