The undeniable miracle at Fatima

[Harry Nevis]

Are you actually attempting to compare the above story to the stories of Bernadette and Fatima?!

Do you even notice why your above story is a flawed analogy? Probably not, huh...

Let me clue you in.

Exhibition baseball games can be proven to exist.

Baseball players can be proven to exist.

Baseball players can be proven to have charged the mound in the past.

It can be proven that an exhibition game pitting the Yankees against the Red Sox on the day in question took place.

There are zero parts of your story that are in the least bit extraordinary, therefore, it can easily be believed on the word of the person that witnessed it.

But your stories about Fatima or Bernadette's incorrupt body, are not even in the same ballpark (pun intended) as the mundane story about a baseball game, and therefore, require much better evidence to be believable, by those of us with a modicum of critical thinking skills, to be supernatural events.

Unless of course, one were to set there bar for the validity of evidence as low as you have. But then, some of us actually care whether we have good reasons for our beliefs, and others (cough...) don't.

So, you've already knocked over the chess pieces and crapped on the board. All that's left is for you to fly back to your flock and claim victory.

Yes, and the 3 children can be proven to have existed, as can their public prediction of a miracle 3 months beforehand, as can thousands of people showing up at the Cova, as can the newspaper articles the following day, as can the countless number of testimonials that were submitted afterward. But ALL of that should be completely ignored and swept under the carpet simply because you don't believe what they're testimonials had to say? Absurdity. Like any jury would ignore all of that!

Not ignored.  Perused and rejected as evidence for anything supernatural.  There are other explanations for all of this.

Do you believe in witches?  With all the eyewitness testimony, confessions and such from witchcraft trials, how could you not?  There is more eyewitness testimony and documented evidence for witches then there is Jesus. So why doesn't everybody believe?  By looking past the evidence to human motivations.  Which you seem to not be able to do.

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I wonder what the Christian explanation is for 'incorruptible' bodies of people who weren't Christian.

Sorry, none exist. There is an excellent book called "The Incorruptibles" by Joan Cruz that covers the subject. Spoke to her myself about the subject before she died. But that's right, I forgot, you guys don't except research, books, or testimonials on such things unless it fits YOUR definition of acceptable. What a shame.

No, we "except" them all the time.  The word you want is "accept".  You see to think no one can lie or misunderstand what they experience.  What a dork.

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Given the posts in this thread, why do you find it so difficult to accept as a natural phenomenon?

The skeptical consensus can be roughly summarized as: There was a local atmospheric phenomenon (haziness that encouraged people to look at the sun, maybe a sun dog, and it was a very hot day) that caused some people to perceive the sun as 'moving around' when it actually wasn't. The effects of staring at the sun too long combined with this to cause more people to perceive the sun as 'moving around'. Combined with 'miracle fever', this sounds pretty plausible to me, and explains discrepancies like why astronomers didn't notice the sun moving, why the sun moving wasn't a disaster, and why some people present did not see the sun move. Why does it sound implausible to you?

You must be joking. If you aren't, you obviously haven't been reading the posts in this thread.

In July 2017 the 3 children publicly foretold that a lady told them she would perform a miracle 3 months later on October 13, at 12 noon at the cova, so that "the people would believe" (referring to believing the Catholic message she was giving to the children during that 6-month span). 70,000 people show up and there just HAPPENS to be a "local atmospheric phenomenon" at the SAME time, and that the SAME location, only visible in a 20 mile radius? Give me a break. Also, it was not a hot day, it was a day where it had been pouring rain all day. Also, if you read the testimonials, everyone says they know of no one who didn't see anything.

What a lame skeptical consensus.

We ARE reading the posts.  The fact that you think we should accept everything you post as fact shows how little you actually think about these things.  You like what something says, so you call it truth.