RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
August 10, 2017 at 2:39 pm
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2017 at 2:45 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(August 10, 2017 at 10:44 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:Catholic_Lady Wrote:I've had discussions here before about the miracle of the sun. I find it very convincing and impossible to explain away as something other than a supernatural phenomenon. Someone here even said it was a conspiracy by the government (who was somehow able to predict that the sun would do weird things on that day at that time, months ahead of time) and they had the kids involved.
Given the posts in this thread, why do you find it so difficult to accept as a natural phenomenon?
The skeptical consensus can be roughly summarized as: There was a local atmospheric phenomenon (haziness that encouraged people to look at the sun, maybe a sun dog, and it was a very hot day) that caused some people to perceive the sun as 'moving around' when it actually wasn't. The effects of staring at the sun too long combined with this to cause more people to perceive the sun as 'moving around'. Combined with 'miracle fever', this sounds pretty plausible to me, and explains discrepancies like why astronomers didn't notice the sun moving, why the sun moving wasn't a disaster, and why some people present did not see the sun move. Why does it sound implausible to you?
Again, there is no way the atmospheric phenomenon was predicted in the early 1900, months ahead of time, and to the hour. Thinking the government was not only able to predict this, but that they told the kids to tell this elaborate lie in a crazy conspiracy doesnt make much sense. Also, they were not staring at the sun for too long. It was rainy and cloudy up until the time of the miracle. The sun started acting up pretty much right when it appeared.
To your last point, the sun didn't actually physically move around in space. The miracle was the vision of it moving to the people who were lucky enough to be blessed with such gift as to witness a miracle. Like an apparition, where only the kids themselves were able to see the Virgin Mary, though thousands of people were there.
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