The undeniable miracle at Fatima

[Brian37]

Seems like more lies than coincidences.  Once you dismiss the church's tale there isn't much there.

So tens of thousands of people coming from all different parts of the country collaborated to fabricate this lie about seeing a moving sun, all before cell phones and the internet existed?

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So it wasn't just a visionary thing?

It was a visionary thing caused by a supernatural phenomenon - a miracle. Not caused by optical illusion or mental illness/delusion.

No, that is not what we are arguing.

10s of thousands did show up sure. But thousands and thousands of people go to Vegas to see Penn and Teller catch a bullet in their mouth or saw a lady in half. Most Penn and Teller fans know it is just an illusion, but many also think they really are defying science, but they admit themselves they are not. 

A few were in on it sure, and 10s of thousand of gullible people merely wanted to believe it. Again there are millions worldwide who believe all sorts of claims you may not buy yourself. Vampires, Big Foot, Loc Ness, chupacabra(sp).

Now again, if you do your research you are cherry picking because not all of the people that showed up were buying it. Out of those 10s of thousands I doubt seriously it was 100% all accepting it. 

This is really no different than knowing that a long time ago most of the world's population falsely believed the earth was flat.

Yes, lots of people showed up, so? Lots of people go into a Mosque and think Allah is real, how is it you dont if it is all a numbers and popularity game?

I am sorry you bought it but again, it still amounts to you merely wanting to believe it. The sun in reality does not behave like the claimants claimed.

Dont just read the apologists part of this article, go down to the "Critics" section and read that too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun