RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
August 11, 2017 at 2:45 pm
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2017 at 2:51 pm by Harry Nevis.)
(August 11, 2017 at 1:41 pm)pabsta Wrote:(August 10, 2017 at 1:47 pm)Astreja Wrote: That is a question for science, not religion. By not doing what I asked you to do -- that is, to set up a proper examination where religious bias cannot interfere -- you are making it rather difficult to properly answer that question.
No, it does not "completely [defy] science." It completely avoids science. I also have no interest in looking at bodies on display unless it's for the purpose of being an observer at a medical/biochemical experiment on those bodies, and somehow I doubt the custodians of the bodies would permit that to happen.
There are also "incorruptible bodies" in Buddhism, by the way. Whatever they really are, they aren't unique to Catholicism. Get over yourselves.
It appears to me you are just making excuses for not looking into this phenomena.
There are no incorruptibles in Buddhism or any other so-called religion. Every time they have been found over the last 2000 years (I recall reading there are about 250 of them), they have all been found to be devout Catholics who have not been embalmed. You can stay there at your keyboard and remain bitter for the rest of your life, or you can get out and take a vacation and look into these things. No one is going to do the work for you or pay for your plane ticket - it's up to you.
You recall nothing of the sort. You're lying out of you ass.
So, if I go to Europe, they'll let me examine the bodies? Or do you think just looking from a distance will tell for sure that they haven't been doctored up to look good? Of course not. Just like you, there is nothing to go on but blinded believer's bullshit stories. You're really pathetic.
(August 11, 2017 at 1:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Perhaps it sounds likely to you that this was a sun dog/sun hole that happened to magically fall on the same day and time as predicted months before hand, and mass hallucination of the same thing at the same time (even though nothing about the sun was even expected), along with clothes and puddles drying up impossibly fast. It doesn't sound likely to me at all. I think it sounds extremely far fetched.
I take pride in being honest with myself and in being objective. So the accusations of some people here (not you Agenda) that I'm simply making myself believe because I am desperate to do so comes very unappreciated.
Objective, in the Catholic sense? Because your beliefs are not objective.
(August 11, 2017 at 2:36 pm)pabsta Wrote:(August 10, 2017 at 5:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: A visionary miracle, which miraculously, also caused clothes and puddles to dry... as was told by thousands of witnesses.
You are right Catholic lady. Though I've come to realize that atheists simply don't except testimony from witnesses unless it gives them a cozy feeling. That's why the books in the public schools only tell half of what went on in history.
Hopefully I'll never have to sit on a jury with atheists who close their eyes to testimonies from people, no matter how many. A crowded bank watches an armed robbery take place and all ID the man who did it? Sorry, the man is innocent because a mass fear overtook all of the witnesses. Or better yet, the robbery never happened at all. I feel like I just stepped into an asylum coming to this forum.
Fuck off, asshole. You just feel like it's an asylum because no one ever taught you what rational, critical thinking is.
First cut is the deepest.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam