The undeniable miracle at Fatima

[Brian37]

Perhaps it sounds likely to you that this was a sun dog/sun hole that happened to magically fall on the same day and time as predicted months before hand, and mass hallucination of the same thing at the same time (even though nothing about the sun was even expected), along with clothes and puddles drying up impossibly fast. It doesn't sound likely to me at all. I think it sounds extremely far fetched. 

I take pride in being honest with myself and in being objective. So the accusations of some people here (not you Agenda) that I'm simply making myself believe because I am desperate to do so comes very unappreciated.

No magic is needed for a sun dog/sun halo to fall on a particular day. It's not even particularly coincidental. They're very common, as I have said multiple times. Magic IS needed for the version you believe to be true.

I don't think you're being desperate. Since you already accept the existence of supernatural occurrences, that is bound to affect your assessment of the probability of one having occurred. I think you're particularly mistaken in this case (lots of Christians don't believe this one either), but I get why it seems reasonable to you.

As much shit as I give theists, of all labels, it really has never been for me to rid the world of them. I have said many times that I do value my species potential to display empathy, cooperation and compassion. I will always value that POTENTIAL. But since we know we are a flawed species when it comes to the logic we try to sell others, I cannot watch and say nothing when it is claimed. It is not a rights issue for me, not one bit. Even if your claims make me want to pull my hair out, while I may be blunt about it, I will not judge the individual, but merely that claim on that subject.

My point is I agree. As nice as CL has been to me, it still amounts to her not considering it is merely something she wants to be true. But, to be fair to her, that is same with most of the world's population. There was a time long ago, when I could have bought what she still buys. It does not make her evil that she does. But what you and I are saying is while understandable, it is still not matching what science says. In reality, the sun does not behave the way the claimers claim.

I still like her outside these claims. Anyone who has not demanded my lynching deserves a Purple Heart. I know I am a pain in the ass.