RE: The undeniable miracle at Fatima
August 11, 2017 at 6:54 pm
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2017 at 6:54 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(August 11, 2017 at 6:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(August 11, 2017 at 4:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: [quote pid='1601058' dateline='1502478131']
So if the miracle happened at 12 noon you would believe it, but if it happened at 12:20 that invalidates all the testimonials and we can disregard the whole thing? You crack me up.
"They saw what they wanted to see"? As previously posted, no one knew what was going to happen that day - they were just told it would be a miracle. Funny, all the testimonials agree the same thing happened!
And there we have another baseless claim that some people there didn't see anything. The testimonials say the opposite.
Quote:Various claims have been made as to what actually happened during the event. According to many witnesses, after a period of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disc in the sky. It was said to be significantly duller than normal, and to cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds. The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth before zig-zagging back to its normal position.[19] Witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became "suddenly and completely dry, as well as the wet and muddy ground that had been previously soaked because of the rain that had been falling".[20] Not all witnesses reported seeing the sun "dance". Some people only saw the radiant colors, and others, including some believers, saw nothing at all.[21][22][23][24] The only known picture of the sun taken during the event doesn't show anything unusual.[9][10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun
What he's saying is that what was seen by all these people was in regards to the sun. Obviously people's descriptions/experiences may vary slightly, but that's the case anytime you're hearing an account of something from thousands of different people.
The point is, if all these people were making up something or having hallucinations simply because they were "expecting" a miracle, then maybe one person would have said they saw the Virgin Mary... another would say they saw Jesus.... someone else may say they saw an angel... another person would say a flying pig, etc. You get the point. But all the accounts, which were thousands, were in regards to the sun changing colors and/or moving around in the sky, and all happened at the same time. I don't see how it is at all reasonable to conclude that all these people were having the same hallucination at the same time (which wasn't even the time they were expecting to see anything), or that they were all lying and somehow their lies all coincidentally happened to be the same.
As for those who didn't see anything? To me, it really only makes it more convincing that this was a supernatural occurrence. Not everyone is gifted with being witness to a miracle. If the sun truly was changing colors and moving in a natural phenomenon, I assume everyone would have seen it.
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