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Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?
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RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?
(August 11, 2017 at 4:04 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Usage of the term in this era is misleading to your contemporaries, however.  
you mean everyone in the west. because middle eastern and far eastern cultures still hold on to this type of relationship. where the Father is the head of the house, meaning the task master the slave driver and the house must work together to farm, heard or whatever they do for a living. It is only in the west where people can do what they want that seperates the family into the dear old dad model you are use to seeing.

Quote:They hear "Father and Son" from a pulpit and they are going to think of dear old dad and themselves as the reference standard, two distinct individuals, and their resultant understanding of the Trinity will be incorrect and their resultant belief will not garner Salvation as they are denying, unaware, and mistaken about  the true nature of Christ as, you note, it has been revealed in Scripture.
Indeed... which is why I think Christianity is failing in those who do not take more effort than a cursory glance at it. Pride tells them Christian is "E,F,G" and they never see E,F,G working in real life... therfore Christianity is dead.

Quote:And as always, it's even worse for the Mormons.  If you have a copy of the Tanner book, read the chapter on their idea of how all that  works as revealed (confusingly) by Joe Smith, and further scrambled by Brigham Young.  I'd hold open the possibility God Himself  might be perplexed as to what to do with Mormons as even He won't be able to make heads or tails of it.  It's VERY clear the Mormons can't.  They might even be impervious to a revisional revelation as we might expect the new revelation to note where the current belief is lacking and how it should be modified, and they won't be able to process that.

But as with the Parable of the talents, God only holds us responsible to what he has given us. Now if the morons have not been given the "5 talents" of understanding you have been given does not mean their efforts will not be welcome. It is not up to us to decide how many 'talents' they've been given nor if they doubled their investment or whether they burried it in the sand. That is upto God.
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Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 5, 2017 at 2:59 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 5, 2017 at 3:02 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 5, 2017 at 3:10 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Chad32 - August 5, 2017 at 3:07 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by brewer - August 5, 2017 at 3:08 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 7, 2017 at 8:38 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 8, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 9, 2017 at 5:27 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - August 13, 2017 at 10:11 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 15, 2017 at 3:31 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 15, 2017 at 3:36 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 16, 2017 at 11:17 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 16, 2017 at 3:36 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 16, 2017 at 10:56 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 16, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 17, 2017 at 3:33 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 17, 2017 at 3:41 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 18, 2017 at 3:22 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 24, 2017 at 10:53 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 19, 2017 at 8:27 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 23, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 25, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 24, 2017 at 11:56 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 25, 2017 at 1:17 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 26, 2017 at 12:32 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 30, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 1, 2017 at 12:17 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 1, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 1, 2017 at 3:41 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 2, 2017 at 4:58 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 2, 2017 at 5:09 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 1, 2017 at 10:57 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 2, 2017 at 8:07 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 4, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Succubus - September 5, 2017 at 6:08 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Succubus - September 8, 2017 at 9:34 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 5, 2017 at 11:44 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 7, 2017 at 10:02 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 7, 2017 at 11:20 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 13, 2017 at 9:41 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 14, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 14, 2017 at 3:36 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 14, 2017 at 11:57 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 15, 2017 at 1:41 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 14, 2017 at 10:19 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 15, 2017 at 12:46 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 15, 2017 at 3:25 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 25, 2017 at 12:30 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Succubus - September 25, 2017 at 2:11 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 25, 2017 at 4:55 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 26, 2017 at 3:17 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 26, 2017 at 3:32 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 27, 2017 at 12:59 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 28, 2017 at 3:44 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 29, 2017 at 12:50 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 29, 2017 at 2:50 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 30, 2017 at 12:08 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 30, 2017 at 5:16 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - October 5, 2017 at 11:07 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 29, 2017 at 7:52 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 30, 2017 at 12:20 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 27, 2017 at 8:03 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 26, 2017 at 8:00 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 25, 2017 at 3:37 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 25, 2017 at 8:30 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 25, 2017 at 8:38 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 15, 2017 at 11:18 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 14, 2017 at 4:49 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 15, 2017 at 2:45 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 20, 2017 at 8:42 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 7, 2017 at 10:45 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 13, 2017 at 3:01 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 13, 2017 at 3:46 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 13, 2017 at 5:48 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 13, 2017 at 9:33 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 13, 2017 at 5:35 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 24, 2017 at 11:42 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 15, 2017 at 1:26 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Athene - August 5, 2017 at 6:28 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Chad32 - August 9, 2017 at 9:04 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 10, 2017 at 12:07 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 10, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 10, 2017 at 2:31 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Drich - August 11, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Drich - August 15, 2017 at 1:09 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 16, 2017 at 11:13 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 16, 2017 at 11:18 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 16, 2017 at 11:22 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 17, 2017 at 12:42 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by rado84 - August 22, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 22, 2017 at 11:03 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 22, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 23, 2017 at 12:36 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 23, 2017 at 5:17 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 23, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 25, 2017 at 12:48 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 5, 2017 at 6:18 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Succubus - September 5, 2017 at 6:45 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 5, 2017 at 6:49 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Succubus - September 6, 2017 at 6:13 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 7, 2017 at 9:25 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 8, 2017 at 10:43 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 8, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 14, 2017 at 7:22 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 14, 2017 at 7:59 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 15, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 15, 2017 at 12:09 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 15, 2017 at 9:16 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 26, 2017 at 7:31 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Silver - September 26, 2017 at 7:32 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 26, 2017 at 7:33 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Silver - September 26, 2017 at 7:34 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 26, 2017 at 9:05 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Silver - September 26, 2017 at 9:07 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by brewer - September 26, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 28, 2017 at 3:51 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 30, 2017 at 12:42 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 30, 2017 at 5:25 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Atheist73 - September 29, 2017 at 3:33 pm

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