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Isn't it funny...
RE: Isn't it funny...
(August 14, 2017 at 11:48 pm)Astonished Wrote: Hoo boy...got a live one here. Well, FT...

That was a lot of...something? So you can take that as a 'considered, and rejected' as far as your reply. You literally defeated yourself with your own points and also injected a non sequitur into it. Don't much care for the rest, if people want to coin a phrase as something, that's fine, but as I pointed out, in order to believe what you believe, much thought must be suspended, ergo, not exactly a 'free' thinker in the literal sense. Your last few points also refute your position because there's no way you could have arrived at your conclusion in such a way as that which you describe. That's called a special pleading fallacy, if you wanted to say 'nuh-uh, I'm different'.

Forcing a restriction upon your critical thinking capacity logically precludes a completely free thinker in the literal sense. Try to weasel out of it all you want, you don't get to divorce yourself from the reality of it with friendly and disarming euphemisms. If you wanted to give the impression you were in some way superior to other theists in some bizarre way by masquerading as a critical thinker, I'm just telling you, don't insult our intelligence. If you truly believe you've got some inside knowledge or other pathway to arrive at your conclusion than anyone else, well, then that's even sadder and scarier.

The fact that you don't have the guts to address me directly means you are unsure of your answer. This is an atheist forum. You should feel safe here. You even sought the advice of your compatriot and his answer is sound. In spite of that you prefer to be stubborn in your belief just like an ignorant theist. Assuming that you are a free and critical thinker let me just say that you missed a point. Life is not just about believing or not believing in God. It is just an iota of the intricacy of life and the world we live in. Let's say you are correct that God does not exist, you can not conclude that a person who is wrong in believing this does not know how to think freely in other aspects of life. Do you know what my stand is regarding abortion, the government, pro gun or gun ban, antisemitism or LGBT etc? You know nothing because you never bothered to ask or use critical and free thinking. You already have formed an opinion and assumption about me without further investigating. You my friend are an example of an atheist who do not think for himself. You are not different from the ignorant and self righteous believers who are bible thumpers and only believe that they are right. You make statements without making reference and expect others to take it as truth. 

And knowing your kind, you probably go bonkers the moment you hear someone say he is a believer. Kudos to you for being a free  and critical thinker. Believers use the phrase "God moves in mysterious ways", "God has a plan". "In his time" when they do not know the answer or are unsure. In your case, it's looking for affirmations from others or resorting to derogatory remarks. 

I came here to learn. Unfortunately, I won't learn anything from you. So live your life and I will live mine.

(August 15, 2017 at 1:29 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(August 15, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Fr33Th1nker Wrote: I don't know if you  are being sarcastic but just in case you are and if you think that you are a free thinker or believe that free thinking should be exclusive to atheist only maybe you would want to consider what I will post below.

A standard dictionary defines a freethinker as “one that forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority; especially one who doubts or denies religious dogma.” What this means is that to be a freethinker, a person has to be willing to consider any idea and any possibility. The standard for deciding the truth-value of claims is not tradition, dogma, or authorities — instead, it must be reason and logic.

The term was originally popularized by Anthony Collins (1676-1729), a confidant of John Locke who wrote many pamphlets and books attacking traditional religion. He even belonged to a group called “The Freethinkers” which published a journal entitled “The Free-Thinker.”

Collins used the term as essentially a synonym for anyone who opposes organized religion and wrote his most famous book, The Discourse of Free Thinking (1713) to explain why he felt that way. He went beyond describing freethinking as desirable and declared it to be a moral obligation:

Because he who thinks freely does his best toward being right, and consequently does all that God, who can require nothing more of any Man than that he should do his best, can require of him.
As should be obvious, Collins did not equate freethinking with atheism — he retained his membership in the Anglican church. It wasn’t belief in a god which attracted his ire, but instead, people who simply “take the Opinions they have imbibed from their Grandmothers, Mothers or Priests.”

WHY ATHEISM AND FREETHOUGHT ARE DIFFERENT
At the time, freethinking and the freethought movement was usually characteristic of those who were deists just as today freethinking is more often characteristic of atheists — but in both cases, this relationship is not exclusive. It is not the conclusion which differentiates freethought from other philosophies, but the process.

A person can be a theist because they are a freethinker and a person can be an

So what?  If you're using Collins as an authority for Freethought/Deism, then you are going against the definition.  His opinion doesn't make it fact.

It appears that your mind is closed and could not understand the message. I am not here to educate but to learn. I already made a similar response to Astonished so if you have time and if it is ok with you, maybe you would just want to read it. Otherwise, think what you will. It really doesn't matter to me. I'll just keep on looking until I find someone reasonable who I could talk to and learn from. Thank you for your time.
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RE: Isn't it funny... - by Fr33Th1nker - August 14, 2017 at 10:29 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Astonished - August 14, 2017 at 10:41 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Fr33Th1nker - August 14, 2017 at 11:12 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Whateverist - August 15, 2017 at 2:18 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Harry Nevis - August 15, 2017 at 7:25 am
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 12:57 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Harry Nevis - August 15, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by vorlon13 - August 14, 2017 at 11:02 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Astonished - August 14, 2017 at 11:48 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 1:45 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 2:58 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Minimalist - August 14, 2017 at 11:51 pm
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RE: Isn't it funny... - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 11:35 am
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RE: Isn't it funny... - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 3:05 pm
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RE: Isn't it funny... - by Cyberman - August 15, 2017 at 6:23 pm
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RE: Isn't it funny... - by The Valkyrie - August 15, 2017 at 9:12 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2017 at 4:07 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Astonished - August 17, 2017 at 9:33 am
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Dropship - August 18, 2017 at 1:51 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Cyberman - August 18, 2017 at 2:02 pm
RE: Isn't it funny... - by Astonished - August 18, 2017 at 5:29 pm
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