RE: Are some theists afraid of atheists?
August 18, 2017 at 11:31 am
(This post was last modified: August 18, 2017 at 11:32 am by mordant.)
(August 18, 2017 at 10:40 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Maybe I am missing something but I am trying. Kiel is saying that if people acting on the assumption that everyone had equal valve simply because they are human. That's fine but is not better than a Christian saying because people are made in the image of God. Both statements rest on unsupported claims. In his case he calls for a rationally consistent evaluation between human beings. That's not saying much. He hasn't shown why human beings are existentally equal other than appealing to empathy. And I do not see how that in anyway undermines my earlier demonstration. He's arguing in a circle.I think most rational, self-aware, contemplative, thinking, empathetic persons would arrive at the same conclusion that humans are existentially equal. All it requires is the aformentioned empathy and a modest amount of epistemological humility.
What people like yourself seem to really want is a guarantee that everyone will arrive at such a conclusion -- as if an externally determined and imposed morality would even address that concern. Clearly, it does not, even allowing for the sake of argument that Christian morality really does come from god. Because adherents to such religious faith-based moralities are morally defective assholes at approximately the same (or slightly greater) rate as everyone else. It doesn't help them be better persons. You feel it's intuitive that it should, and you use confirmation bias to tell yourself that it does, but I see zero evidence of that. Indeed, i see that Christians are slightly overrepresented in prison populations relative to other groups, that they have slightly higher divorce rates relative to other groups, and I see their ideology (mis)used in the service of things like white supremacy and xenophobia with great ease. As Charlotte shows us, Christian ideology can be the basis of terrorism and a sense of aggrieved entitlement and sour grapes just as well as Muslim or any other ideology.