(August 24, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote:(August 24, 2017 at 10:53 am)Astreja Wrote: A truly good deity would not create a hell.
A truly evil one would both create a hell and allow suffering to continue there eternally. No amount of blaming the victim can excuse such a monstrous moral failure, and hypocrisy as well: The agony of one mortal trapped in hell until the end of time infinitely surpasses the pain allegedly suffered by Jesus on the cross, yet it is for not accepting those comparatively insignificant three hours that the condemned mortal becomes the real sacrifice, the real martyr.
1) Why? Is it because it forces you to make a decision, forces you out of your comfort zone, that's only temporary.
2) Why? Justice has to be served for all and that in itself eliminates 'blaming the victim.' There is no hypocrisy on God's part and the moral failure is on humanity. God provided a way and those who do not choose to follow Jesus can not have their sins forgiven. How fair would it be for those who accepted Christ and are forgiven and then God forgive those who rejected Christ and fought against those who accepted Him. I'm going to say this until someone understands it, God is eternal and all sin that's committed is against His eternal nature and without forgiveness that sin will remain forever and thus the eternal punishment. It doesn't matter whether you agree with God, it's not your universe, your creation. God rules over all of it and His word is finial, there is no arguing your way out of it.
3) The bold above by me shows me you were never in the knowledge of what Christ actually did. You think Christ called out to the Father because He was in physical pain, rehash that thought. Jesus spent quite a bit of time being beaten by a whip that was as cruel as any devise ever invented by man to be used upon man, He never cried out once, even though His flesh was being stripped from His body. Have a try at it and see how long you would last. You should understand what Jesus was crying out about, if you ever do you might just see Him in the light that makes a difference in your life. When I realized it I was broken.
Good deities do not create hells. I will not compromise on this point -- ever.
Eternal torture is not justice. I will also not compromise on this point.
Finally, as I believe "Christ" to be a fictionalized character and consider substitutionary atonement to be utterly morally bankrupt in all respects, "Christ" did nothing at all.
You are still broken, GC, both intellectually and morally, and it is your beliefs that made you so.