(August 25, 2017 at 11:44 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I do not have to {prove God is real}, all I'm required to do is tell people why I believe. It is and always has been God's responsibility to prove himself to people, you went to church you should know this.
I only went to Sunday School a few times because a friend of mine was going. Got bored and dropped out.
Since your imaginary friend doesn't seem to be interested in proving its existence to me, I'm not interested in looking for it either. I'm proceeding on the assumption that it's imaginary.
Quote:There are no other gods only the living creator God of the Bible. It wouldn't matter what I said you wouldn't accept it, we both know this, you are not fooling anyone with this line of questioning, except maybe yourself.
You are correct in that your words hold no weight whatsoever with me. I require actual testable physical evidence, and this is something that you clearly do not possess.
Quote:Since you fell that way let me make this very clear to you, God holds you personally responsible for all the sins you commit against Him and it they go unforgiven you will find out how real hell is, this is according to the scriptures.
An imaginary god cannot hold anyone responsible for anything, so I'm not unduly concerned. Furthermore, I've already taken a vow to go to hell in the exceedingly unlikely prospect that such a place as hell actually exists. If I'm unfortunate enough to get saddled with eternal life, something that I do not value at all, at least I can spend it easing the suffering that your god is inflicting on others. I refuse to worship a god that would create a hell.
Quote:Prove it's mythology.
Talking Snake, a flood that never happened, an exodus from Egypt that never happened, virgin birth, people coming back from the dead, and a dragon so large that it can knock a third of the stars out of the sky with its tail. If that's not mythology, I don't know what is.
Quote:He loves you no matter what you say about Him.
Apparently your god doesn't love nearly enough. If hell exists, the suffering of even one person in such a place is a deal-breaker for me. I simply cannot love your god under those circumstances.
Quote:Faith first, then belief, then knowledge.
I am neurologically incapable of religious faith. I'm not joking: My brain automatically rejects claims that do not make sense, and I've been that way since I was a child.
Quote:I do not understand why you are so hostile toward God and His people?
Christianity is an extremely destructive belief system that undermines self-esteem and maturity at the psychological level, and ravages cultural communities at the sociopolitical level. There is nearly two millennia of blood on your collective hands, including the blood of some of my own ancestors' friends and neighbours.
Quote:Jesus chose it, why can't you see that. I would die for my love ones for the reason Jesus died for you, LOVE. God did not punish Jesus, man did that, God allowed what Christ chose to do.
I reject the so-called sacrifice anyway. The whole sordid scenario repulses me to the core of my being, and I have no intention of ever accepting it.
Quote:Like i have said time and again God is eternal and all sin is against His eternal nature and thus judgment is eternal. He will simply forgive you if you will accept what Christ did, not just on the cross but the entire time He was on earth.
No. Unconditionally rejected. Shall I seal the deal by slandering the Holy Spirit?
Quote:God doesn't hold the power over your choice of eternal life or eternal punishment, He could but then He wouldn't be God. God is an eternal being who has always existed, who created the universe and made the greatest sacrifice for mankind. God is omnipresent, do you know what this means as related to Him?
What a ludicrous pile of excuses. You can't do it, can you? You really can't do it. You seem to be utterly mentally incapable of even hypothetically entertaining the idea that your god is the abuser in this whole ridiculous story. You can't allow even the slightest whiff of bad to touch your "loving" imaginary friend, so instead you blame the billions of mortals who are at the mercy of an eternal, omnipresent rat-bastard god.
Quote:I'm not beyond hope, I have hope. God has proven himself to me in real ways, ways you wouldn't accept if I explained them to you, I know I've tried.
That's because your personal testimony is of no evidentiary value whatsoever in my eyes.
Quote:God is love, it is who He is. There are no victims when choice is involved so you can just get over the victim thing.
You have an utterly bizarre idea of what love is. And keep on blaming those victims, GC -- That hole you're in is just getting deeper and deeper.
Quote:My hope, faith, belief and knowledge are all built on the foundation of stone laid down by Christ and no amount of anything will ever change that. All I need is God and everything else will be taken care of in some manner. You can lift the whole world against me and it wouldn't make a difference, god has promised me protection. A person might kill this body, but God has my soul in His protective hands and it will be placed in a new body one day, an indestructible one.
Nope. Eventually you will simply die, and at that moment everything you ever believed will be gone forever. Your hope, as a close friend of mind is wont to say, is the denial of reality.
